16 Responses to “A letter from a patriot Patricia Levy to director of the public affairs for the U.S. Army Washington DC area Col Manning”

1. Veritas
   December 21st, 2010 @ 7:24 pm

   Army asks for mercy from clemency callers

   Breaking News

   Lakin supporters flood phone lines; need to redirect messages
   –WND

2. Chum Lee
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 6:47 am

   IT IS OVER!!! Lakin is on record admitting that is orders were 100% legal.

3. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 8:09 am

   this was an admission under duress, as he was denied any reasonable means of defense. this admiossion is not worth the paper it was written on

4. Chum Lee
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 9:13 am

   Orly,

   I fail to see your logic (and I won’t go into the issue regarding the birth certificate since we both know where each other stands).

   Mr. Lakin (yes, he is now “Mr.”) waived his Article 32, and got new counsel. These were all his choices. He could have chosen to plow ahead with his original plan, and had grounds for an appeal. He did not, and like we all learn when we are children – choices have consequences.

   He made a choice and it did not work out. Where is the duress? You cannot plead duress when you through an entire allocution before a judge/jury/etc. It is not duress when you get rulings that are subjectively horrible (or objectively for that matter). A gun was not pointed to his head, and if there was a gun, he missed out on raising that issue. Because, guess what, it is too late to raise that issue.

   The admission is therefore worth the paper and transcript it is written on, as is his guilty plea. It is over for him.

   Litigants everyday are stuck with evidentiary and other trial decisions from judges that they disaprove of, but they do not then plead guilty and admit that the prosecution was correct. They, unlike Lakin, take their licks and push through. In fact, he appears to have accepted his fate, but no other birthers have. Time to find a new martyr.

   I once again wish to raise my concerns with all of the chickenhawks out there (the ones that called Lakin a traitor and turncoat for changing legal strategies). Instead of hoping that soldiers refuse to follow orders, why don’t you all start breaking the law, and when you get arrested demand to see Obama’s papers.

   Birthers have a number of places to do this as Obama has signed a number of bills into law already. You can commit a federal crime, and when the DOJ comes after you say the US Attorney was nominated by Obama and has no authority, or the same thing about Holder or an Obama appointed judge, etc.

5. PorkRoll
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 12:00 pm

   “Litigants everyday are stuck with evidentiary and other trial decisions from judges that they disaprove of, but they do not then plead guilty and admit that the prosecution was correct.”

   -You’re kidding me, right? Defendants do this all the time if they feel that they cannot defend themselves against a charge and are hoping for a reduced sentence. I’ve done it myself in traffic court where I was in the right, but fighting the charge was an uphill (probably losing) battle and I accepted a plea bargain to get it over with.

   And those litigants are ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO PRESENT EVIDENCE AND CALL WITNESSES. Lakin’s ‘court martial’ wasn’t a court-martial, it was a Soviet-style show trial where a man who was upholding his oath, his only oath, to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic was denigrated and humiliated to set an example. This was the Obama regime’s declaration of war against the military in the same vein as their DHS report was a declaration of war against patriotic citizens.

   Lakin waived his article 32 because it was of no consequence. He couldn’t introduce any evidence or call any plaintiffs to make his case, so it was moot. Since he was allowed no admissible defense, he pleaded guilty because a guilty plea carries an automatically reduced sentence.

   Lind gave him no other choice than to plead guilty. Obama was ‘presumed’ legal and therefore his orders were legal in her eyes. With no chance of being ‘not guilty’. What would you do?

   “The admission is therefore worth the paper and transcript it is written on, as is his guilty plea. It is over for him.”

   And all those Vietnam POWs signed papers admitting guilt to crimes they never committed, either. I guess you consider such admissions valid, correct?

   Your statement shows just how disconnected and disingenuous your side is. If you think this is justice, perhaps North Korea could use your legal talents.

6. Neil N. Bob
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

   @PorkFat

   What I suggest is you do what Chum Lee has suggested. Go out and get yourself arrested so that you have ‘standing’. Surely, you believe that Obama is illegitimate and that you will come out smelling like a rose, don’t you?

   If not, then you lack the courage to actually stand up and do something about this supposed ‘atrocity’ that you bloviate about every time you post here.

   That is the ultimatum. Do you have the cajones to follow through or are you just some big talking, stupid red neck?

   Neil N. Bob (or is that just what you do?)

7. Chum Lee
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 2:02 pm

   PorkRoll,

   You stated: “I’ve done it myself in traffic court where I was in the right, but fighting the charge was an uphill (probably losing) battle and I accepted a plea bargain to get it over with.”

   In other words you made a choice, and are stuck with that choice. Lakin did the same thing, and made a choice. He should get spoecial treatment? Perhaps you can explain why he got new counsel, or why he abandoned the birther argument? You and I can only guess.

   When has Lakin ever stated that he was facing the same harsh treatment that our POWs faced in Vietnam? Never!

   I will post one challenge that no one wants to take me up on. Until then I will continue to side with 535 members of Congress and the members of the Electoral College.

   I will support the birthers when anyone can show me any of the following:

   1) Any authenticated (I am using the term “authenticated” as it is used in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure) documents demonstrating that Obama has used more than one SSN.

   By authenticated, you would need to account for the chain of custody, and prove Obama signed it or otherwise ratified said document. By authenticated, you would need to account for each person whose hands it passed through after proving that the document is actually what you claim it to be. Databases on the internet are not authenticated.

   2) Any authenticated birth certificate, hospital records, or other official document showing that Obama was born outside of the United States. By authenticated, you would need to account for each person whose hands it passed through after proving that the document is actually what you claim it to be.

8. PorkRoll
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

   Chum Lee,

   You claimed: “In other words you made a choice, and are stuck with that choice. Lakin did the same thing, and made a choice.” — No, I made my choice but Lakin’s choice was made for him by Lind, the Army and God only knows what he was told or how he was threatened behind closed doors. My loss was self-chosen to avoid wasting my time, Lakin’s was out of despair since they left him with no choice. They took away his defense and left him with nothing.

   You said: “He should get special treatment?” — The whole problem is that Lakin WAS given special treatment. He wasn’t allowed to defend himself; Lind denied him discovery, witnesses and any other evidence he needed to prove his innocence. Lind didn’t allow it. There’s your special treatment, Soviet style.

   You said: “Perhaps you can explain why he got new counsel, or why he abandoned the birther argument? You and I can only guess.” — Oh, I don’t know, maybe because the judge refused to give credence to the main claim he was making and told him so, refusing him discovery, witnesses and any other evidence to back up his claim.

   You said: “When has Lakin ever stated that he was facing the same harsh treatment that our POWs faced in Vietnam? Never!” — Did the Vietnam POWs come out and say, “Hey I’m being threatened and terrorized by my persecutors?” No, I didn’t think so. Instead of beating Lakin, they threatened him with a tasering, belittled him, denigrated his character and mentally tortured him. It was a real fine show of civility on the Army’s part, I tell ya’. Too bad he didn’t blink ‘torture’ into the camera like Jeremiah Denton.

   As far as your challenges, Orly is currently trying to ascertain Obama’s SS application and is getting stonewalled. Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and try to help her out?

   Second, the onus isn’t on us to disprove Obama’s Natural Born Citizen claim; the onus is on Obama to prove that he is a NBC like he claims. We need to see his long form birth certificate which Hawaii has on file and Obama already admitted he possesses in his autobiography Dreams from my Father. There is no reason he can’t produce it just like John McCain did when Obama and the mainstream media went ‘all-birther’ on him. The long form will tell us where he was born (jus soli) and who his biological parents were (jus sanguinis). If his father is the alien he claimed, he’s NOT Constitutionally eligible.

9. Yephora
   December 23rd, 2010 @ 12:40 am

   Well done, PorkRoll. I’m glad you take the time to post here.

10. Phil
    December 23rd, 2010 @ 1:26 am

    Wow! Wow! and…! PorkRoll is right! Here we go again, trying to explain this entire matter to 3 “simple-simons,” that couldn’t understand “ring-worm” if it covered their heads!

    Hey, Salmon-man & “mutt&jeff”:…when do you people get the receptors to function? Now let’s see if you “ladies” can “connect the dots”?

    Think here, O ye of little “discernment” (which means that you can’t understand truth when you: see it; read it; and come across it in life!): when one gets to court and finely sees that the “treasonous trollop” judge won’t follow her oath to defend America from (ALL) enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, and your attorneys act like they’ve been “paid off,” as well, then, what would you do? Huh? What would you do? YeaH, that’s right!!! The same G.D. thing!
    The judiciary is in the “back pocket” of Soros, Obama, and the C.E.T.s world-wide! As if I or anyone who posts on Orlys’ Site even have to “explain” this to you “left-wing, socialist voters,” that have placed America and all of us in grave danger!

    Can you “dig it,” doggies? It’s idiots like you 3 and a very few others that just have to start “baying at the moon!” Orly has done a magnificant job of trying to alert her adopted nation and people like you who just can’t handle thinking of the prospect that you may be found to be:…”WRONG!”

    Right? So, in essence, LTC didn’t do anything wrong! Now…follow me here: when a military person takes their oath, they do so in solomn fashion. They take that oath to [defend the Constitution and America]!

    And since there has been (2) years or more of this “Obamanation” from probably the only man in American History that wasn’t vetted…and that Orly found (2)–TWO! Licensed Investigators to research this…and they “swore” [in a legal fashion], when it comes to the “anti-christ” in the WH, that “HAS” used (39) Social Security numbers! Are you (3) labeled “SPECIAL ED”? Profoundly TMR’s”?

    This is how you people come across to those of us, who have the ability to “discern” (to “see”) what is really going on! Or…you just like to post here to bring all of us a look at the “leanings of the Left,” as you just like to “prank” the rest of us off?

    If you (3) and others aren’t in the “fight” to help America, then, you are TREASONOUS to the depths of your “dead-souls”! Geez-us! If any of you can’t see why LTC Lakin tried to help America, then, you, indeed, are “ripe for mental-rape”: being “brainwashed!”
    Soros loves you “Dimmis!”

    The good LT Colonel tried to find “discovery”! But look at how the judiciary has treated him, Orly, others who have filed suits against Obama! They won’t let them defend themselves! So why do you think that is? Duh? Is it really that much of a “rubicks puzzle?”

    You have nerve coming to Orlys Site and making “Howdy-Doodie” comments! As if you really understand the “real world,” in the first place? If you did, none of us would have to try to “draw that proverbial ‘pix'” for you! Right?

    So your comments on needing real “proof,” of the BC, etc., is so full of “denial”! You’re “pranking yourselves off!” And in the process, you’re, then, NOT helping Orly and America to solve this Crisis, that is extremely far-reaching! Look between the “lines!” Our future is not the same as we all thought it might be, BEFORE the 2008 election! Things have changed, and we ARE “being had!”

    Now, LTC Lakin had an opporunity to exercise his “beliefs,” when he chose not to go! He had a good reason to do this, as I’ve examined. And if this happened to one of their own people, then, none of us (in the public) would have a chance to rise above this, Y-E-T!!! But all this can “change” come January on!

    How? With the New House! That is why the “lame-_uck, er duck” session wanted to pass so many “lame-cluck” bills! Cause they know that NOW…the American People will have their day(s) for the next 2 years!

    And the (R)’s control of the House will now (hopefull) not only rescind all the “cow-pucky” that has been passed, but to dig in and “challenge” the “unscrupulous,” “insidious,” “treasonous treachury” of Lakin and others!

    May (all) these people face the angry American Public someday, with the “stench of their unhearlded, primary example,” in another “treasonous-time”: “Benedict Arnold!”

    “Holy, Horse-Hockey,” Batman! Is it possible that the “Book of Revelations” has begun to “open”? If so, A BIG thanks to the “diatoms” that have voted out of “ignorance” and have thrusted America into this “pit of peril”!

    And you people think you have the “market upon truth?” You are “deceiving yourselves,” in Royal Fashion!! Soros hopes you people continue to be “snowed”!!!

    Now…the “jig” is up! When we can’t get honest legal proceedings, then, it’s a “gimmie” that we are now on the “yellow-brick road” to a “take-over”! And it WILL affect (ALL) OF US! Otherwise, Orly would’ve been able to solve this in late 2009!

    So let’s get real here…and have the courage to “be of help,” instead of attacking Orly, other posters, and actually kicking your own nation, as it struggles! And that’s just plain disgusting!

    Doing this…makes your actions here very treasonous, cause you don’t want to even face the evil and tyranny that could be coming, if we don’t “take it down”! Or you do understand your public motives, and you are already embracing the “dark side”?

    And to post and challenge anyone here to “stand up like LTC Lakin did, and see what happens,” is childish! We all volunteer our time and efforts in this Crisis. So our motive is pure:…to “take our America back!” Are you going to become mature and responsible and offer your assistance? It’s not easy. Or do you not have the guts to “put forth some effort?” And it will change your lives somewhat. But that’s the price of staying free.

    Davey Crockett…

11. Chum Lee
    December 23rd, 2010 @ 4:46 am

    Porkroll,

    I’ll be quick.

    1. You agree with me that Lakin made a choice, and all you have is conjecture. He chose not to push forward and then appeal. He chose new counsel. You never spoke to Lakin so you do not know the reasons for his choice. He said the judge was correct, and plead guilty. There was no plea bargain, instead he pled guilty – why? Neither of us know.

    2. Lakin never stated he was tortured, never. That was never an issue – you can talk about the Viet Cong all you want, but cannot demonstrate that he was tortured. I would appreciate a link to the “threats about tasers.” I am not doubting you, but that is a new one to me.

    3. Why would I help Orly with the SSN business? She made the claims about him misusing SSNs, so she needs to back it up with authenticated evidence – not a bunch of reports from online databases.

    4. I believe that Obama is the legitimate President and constitutionally eligible and Congress, the Electoral College, and the Courts suggest it. I don’t need to prove what I believe. I gave a way for you to help out- violate a federal law and claim standing and challenge Obama’s legitimacy. Are you a paper tiger and expect folks like Lakin to do the heavy lifting?

    4. The onus is on the birthers. If it is not, can you show me where it says otherwise?

    5. I believe jus soli is enough, and you should know that the thing on the internet is not McCain’s birth certificate. He never released it. It is a forgery that was floating around since the Hollander litigation.

12. PorkRoll
    December 23rd, 2010 @ 4:10 pm

    Chum Lee,

    1. Did you even read what I wrote? I don’t agree with you that Lakin made a choice. Lakin’s choice was made for him and he was left with two options: worse and worst. He chose worse because appealing would have granted him the same kangaroo court but with a much heavier sentence.

    Prisoner reading from rehearsed script: “Yes, commissar, I have participated in crimes against our beloved mother Russia and her glorious leadership. I am guilty and the people should know that it is my privilege to be punished for my crimes.”

    Commissar: “Because you have admitted your crimes and submitted yourself to the will of the people of our glorious state, you must serve only 10 years in the gulag rather than 40.”

    2. Lakin Physically Threatened by Prosecutor
    https://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/news/lakin-physically-threatened.html

    3. Hello? She’s trying to gain evidence, but the SS Administration is stonewalling her. If you’re such the legal eagle why don’t you help her? It’s not like she’s breaking the law or anything. If you want proof, help her to ascertain the proof because SHE’S TRYING TO GET YOU THE PROOF but they’re keeping her from it. We already have evidence that he misappropriated SSN’s (just like Bill Ayers and his Weather Underground thugs specialized in), so there is enough evidence available to justify an investigation. In other words, you’re asking for proof in order to investigate. You’re putting the cart before the horse.

    4. “I believe that Obama is the legitimate President and constitutionally eligible and Congress, the Electoral College, and the Courts suggest it.” Nice choice of words: “suggest it”. Don’t play coy. You know as well as I do he was vetted by no one, a fact confirmed by the Congressional Cheat Sheet from the Library of Congress that Mario Apuzzo uncovered. They admitted no one vetted him or challenged him. We don’t want ‘suggestions’, we want proof. As an aside, Ronald Reagan had no problem producing a birth certificate. Want to see it? Go here: https://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/news/reagans-birth-certificate.html

    4a. The onus IS NOT on the ‘birthers’. The onus is on Obama to prove he’s a natural born citizen per the REQUIREMENT of Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution. It is a REQUIREMENT. It is NOT optional. He must prove it. A digital image of a purported COLB is not legally submissible evidence. Multiple COLBs with gaping flaws like UNOFFICIAL SEALS is a crime. https://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2010/12/

    5. Jus soli is not enough and never has been. You and your cadre try to claim Wong Kim Ark changed that but it didn’t. In fact, there are two poison pills in Wong Kim Ark that submarine that claim. First, WKA was based on the 14th Amendment, whose author John Bingham declared WKA not be a natural born citizen when he said: “I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of the Constitution itself, a natural born citizen;” in his Congressional speech in the House on March 9, 1866:
    https://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=332

    But even more damning is this claim within the WKA ruling itself: “The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle.” Notice how it proclaims both citizens, but calls the child of a citizen as “natural born”. Jus sanguinis and jus soli.

    And the last definition given by the Supreme Court of ‘natural born citizen’ was in Minor v Happersett ‘born on soil of citizen parents’: jus soli and jus sanguinis. This was reaffirmed in Perkins v Elg where both of Elg’s parents were citizens. (Elg’s mother was made a naturalized US citizen by marriage to her father according to the laws of that time.)

    “and you should know that the thing on the internet is not McCain’s birth certificate. He never released it.” — Oh yeah? Well, who’s the birther now?

13. Chum Lee
    December 24th, 2010 @ 4:33 am

    Pork Roll:

    No dice. Step to my challenge or go and sacrifice for yourself – until then you are a paper tiger. Until any birther can actually proof – not conjecture, not hunches, but rock-solid authenticated proof – I will continue to believe Obama is legitimate President. I believe you are wrong on the law, and that is simple. You do a good job twisting the law.

    As for a “cheat sheet” – it was no secret, and Mario Putzo released nothing new.

    Linking to a biased news source tells me nothing.

    Oh, and have you noticed that Obama’s ratings have been going up?

    As far as the “who is the birther now” question – I do not get it. I never have doubted McCain’s eligibility for President.

14. Johnny Cochrane
    December 24th, 2010 @ 6:03 am

    > If you want proof, help her to ascertain the proof because SHE’S TRYING TO GET YOU THE PROOF but they’re keeping her from it.

    Stop trying to shift the burden of proof. Birthers have no proof, they have absence of proof and then tell the sane people “prove to us our belief is wrong”. It doesn’t work that way.

    > As an aside, Ronald Reagan had no problem producing a birth certificate.

    You’re readily omitting the fact that he didn’t produce his BC until *after* his presidency ended. Convenient, huh?

    > A digital image of a purported COLB is not legally submissible evidence.

    You do realize that the “digital image” was made of a real object which would be legally submissible evidence if required by a court?
    It does not exist in cyberspace only, just like a photo of your house shows a real object.

    > Multiple COLBs with gaping flaws like UNOFFICIAL SEALS is a crime.

    You mean, like the multiple different “Kenyan birth certificates” produced by birthers and used by Orly in court?

    > Notice how it proclaims both citizens, but calls the child of a citizen as “natural born”.

    But you also notice that it says “is as much a citizen as the natural born child…”? Do you understand the meaning of “is as much” or do we have to go back to elementary school?

    Funny how you can twist a sentence to mean the opposite of what it says plainly on its face.

    > Well, who’s the birther now?

    Funny how you evade the question why you were never so critical about former presidents’ and candidates’ eligibility – until suddenly we had a black president.

15. PorkRoll
    December 25th, 2010 @ 2:19 am

    Chum Lee,

    Why should I do anything to satisfy your definition of a forceful patriot? As free men, we act according to what WE deem necessary at the moment, not you. LTC Lakin decided to head down this path and I have supported his effort both financially and intellectually. I have also denounced his mistreatment at the hand of our government. Those are my choices and I will act according to my own predilections and to satisfy what I believe needs to be done at any given time. Calling people a paper tiger because they don’t barrel into where angels fear to tread is disingenuous to the nth degree. With rash and foolish decisions, we stumble and sacrifice at the times proscribed by our opponents (i.e. you and your ilk). That is a fool’s bargain; nothing like letting your enemy dictate the rules of the battlefield. Nice try, though.

    And again, you set up a straw man by having us try to disprove Obama is a natural born citizen when he has never proven he was an NBC to begin with. It should not be the people’s responsibility to prove or disprove that Obama is a natural born citizen; it is Obama’s DUTY because that is what the Constitution REQUIRES of him. Show me one legally admissible piece of evidence proving Obama is an NBC. I’ll wait… Are you really that gullible or are your eyes simply clouded by your political motives?

    “I believe you are wrong on the law, and that is simple. You do a good job twisting the law.” Of course you do because the law says that if Obama’s father is who he says he is, Obama is not a NBC and is a usurper. We only have numerous Supreme Court cases and Congressional testimony to back me up, but hey, we can just throw out what isn’t politically expedient, right?

    As far as the Congressional cheat sheet, you said ‘it wasn’t a secret.’ Oh, but it was. The fellow who leaked it out of Congress to Mario Apuzzo had to remain anonymous fearing repercussions. Nope, no secrecy there. And referring to Mario Apuzzo as Mario Putzo is as classy as me referring to you as Chump Lee. It only denigrates your argument.

    I see nothing biased about a news source telling the truth. If Lakin wasn’t threatened by the prosecutor, why was that prosecutor immediately dismissed from the case? And if a reporter obtains an official seal from Hawaii and it shows Obama’s purported COLB uses a forged seal, how is that biased? Oh, I get it. It’s biased because you disagree with it. As John Adams said, facts are stubborn things.

    Obama’s ratings going up? Who cares? Are you really that shallow? I don’t care if they carved his face into Mount Rushmore. He’s still illegitimate until he proves he’s Constitutionally eligible to hold the office.

    You never doubted McCain’s eligiblity to be President? Why not? Obama did. Obama was one of the signatories to the investigation of McCain’s NBC status. But I guess they and Obama are all a bunch of racists, right?

16. PorkRoll
    December 25th, 2010 @ 2:47 am

    Johnny Cochrane,

    “Stop trying to shift the burden of proof. Birthers have no proof, they have absence of proof and then tell the sane people ‘prove to us our belief is wrong’.” — Thank you for reiterating what we’ve said all along. We have no proof that Obama is who he says he is and is a natural born citizen, per the requirement of the United States Constitution. None.

    But as to Obama’s misappropriation of his current Social Security number, we do have proof of odd inconsistencies that warrant investigation. But you want proof to warrant an investigation to obtain such proof. Brilliant.

    OK, here’s my challenge again. If the digital image of a COLB is proof enough for you, take a digital image of yours, put it on a web page and bring your laptop down the DMV and try to get a driver’s license with it. We’ll see how much credence it carries then. In other words, the DMV’s not as gullible as you prove to be.

    “But you also notice that it says “is as much a citizen as the natural born child…”? Do you understand the meaning of “is as much” or do we have to go back to elementary school?” — Oh yes, the child of an alien is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, but it ain’t a natural born citizen. A Dodge is as much a car as a Ford, but a Dodge ain’t a Ford. Who needs to go back to elementary school? Who twists things to say things they don’t?

    “until suddenly we had a black president” — Wow, a charge of racism from a leftist…how original and unexpected. By that argument, Obama is the biggest racist of all since he was a sponsor of the Congressional investigation of McCain’s NBC status. Yeah, funny how we ‘were never so critical about former presidents’ and candidates’ eligibility’ until a black man ran against a white man. Tsk, tsk, Obama the closet racist.

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