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Military has a duty to disobey unlawful orders from an anlawful president

Posted on | July 5, 2009 | 5 Comments

Bacsi

8mechanic, bfedorka: “In the meantime, there is obligation and duty by oath to take orders of the president and those orders must be obeyed without recourse to dissent.”

Absolutely incorrect, members of the armed forces have a sworn duty and obligation to DISOBEY unlawful orders regardless of who gives them. What do you think the Nuremberg Trials were about?

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5 Responses to “Military has a duty to disobey unlawful orders from an anlawful president”

  1. Kate Wells
    July 5th, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

    Well, that’s comforting to know! To tell you the truth… I never thought about what the Nurmberg trials were about. Now you have me curious and I intend to research it.
    Good information! Thanks… Kate~

  2. tainler
    July 5th, 2009 @ 2:20 pm

    So what is our military waiting on. Our honorably soldiers that swore to defend us from foreign or domestic violence realize more than alot of their officers. The fire is burning bigger and bigger every day knowing that we have an illegal president giving orders. Why can they not remove this piece of crud thta is pretending to be president. How much evidence do they need to know that Nobama is NOT for America or Americans. If he is so patriotic why is he in Russia for Independence day. Why is he crushing the christian faith and pampering in Islam? Why is he funding Hamas? Why is he allowing the flow of illegal immigrants to enter America? Why is he allowing this financial crisis (SCAM) of Goldman Sachs to take place? Why is he allowing dhs, cia, fbi to lable returning military and protestors as domestic terrorists? Why is he involved in the connection of the “Baxter” company to manufacture the avian flu and the so called “vaccines” that are the true killers of billions of innocent people? The list goes on and on. Why is he allowing our constitution and America values to be shredded? What is it going to take for our brave military to step up to the plate, realize that this man is a foreign radical that is going to aid in taking America down the drain? Our military in combination with Orly Taitz is our only hope and we MUST defend and back their every move. Who does one contact in the miltary to start the ball rolling to remove this load of crap usurper and put him in Gitmo with the other radical terrorists?

  3. 8mechanic, bfedorka
    July 5th, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

    Unlawful orders such as caused the holocaust must be disobeyed, agreed.

    Here’s the copy and paste “Header” of the post I responded to: J Radin, Submitted on 2009/07/04 at 4:20pm,

    “If the Chairman of joint chiefs of staff calls Obama, a third party official, then the members of the military are not obligated to take orders of this “third party official.””

    Nowhere in the header or the post is ‘unlawful order’ found, rather the validity of the taking of orders from the Commander in Chief, however defined…third person or whatever, and how Same is not accountable to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

    I went on to discuss how the UCMJ writers “probably (never) could have dreamt the reality and possibility of this (imposter) hierarchical nightmare” AND “this nation was founded on the assumption of moral leadership that would check and balance each other and not be subversive while doing so” AND “there is (the reality of charges filed) to face…and the broader long-term implication and danger of ignoring (them).”

    I did state, “there is obligation and duty by oath to take orders of the president and those orders must be obeyed without recourse to dissent.” I did not clarify I meant a lawful order in the broad-brush military system. Sergeant Joe Smith obviously cannot say, “I refuse this order because…” Remember, there was NO mention of the order ITSELF being unlawful in the post I replied to. If the order itself was unlawful you are correct to contest me.

  4. Bacsi
    July 6th, 2009 @ 6:43 am

    If an order is given by someone who is not legally qualified to hold the position then any order they issue is illegal and unlawful. Furthermore Sergeant Joe Smith most certainly can refuse to obey those illegally put in positions superior to him in the military. Members of the armed forces of the United States are still citizens, we are not subjects nor slaves, our oaths are to the Constitution and to the country, not to any individual. We, the people are the government. Office holders, civilian and military, are merely our representatives holding positions of trust. Private John Q can not be legally punished for such a refusal. He can be hauled up on trumped up charges to be sure. He can be given poor fitness reports and passed over for promotions, absolutely – I know from personal experience. So what, would you rather be a boot licking dog or a free citizen?

    Stewart Rhodes has a posting on this subject at his Oath Keepers site:
    https://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/2009/06/compare-and-contrast.html#links

    One of his observations:

    “And even though the enlisted oath includes a section about obeying the orders of the president and officers, that obedience is not unconditional. This is because our constitutional republic is supposed to be under the rule of law, not the rule of men, with the Constitution being the supreme law of the land, not the orders of the president. The orders of the president and of commissioned officers must be lawful, in accordance with the uniform code of military justice and the laws of the United States.”