Say no to tyranny, urge your senators to vote no on this bill. This bill can lead to an American GULAG
Posted on | November 26, 2011 | 25 Comments
Say no to tyranny, urge your senators to vote no on this bill. This bill can lead to American GULAG
Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens
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Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window
While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.
Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and if any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.
The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.
The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?
The answer on why now is nothing more than election season politics. The White House, the Secretary of Defense, and the Attorney General have all said that the indefinite detention provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act are harmful and counterproductive. The White House has even threatened a veto. But Senate politics has propelled this bad legislation to the Senate floor.
But there is a way to stop this dangerous legislation. Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) is offering the Udall Amendment that will delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power. The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values.
In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”
The solution is the Udall Amendment; a way for the Senate to say no to indefinite detention without charge or trial anywhere in the world where any president decides to use the military. Instead of simply going along with a bill that was drafted in secret and is being jammed through the Senate, the Udall Amendment deletes the provisions and sets up an orderly review of detention power. It tries to take the politics out and put American values back in.
In response to proponents of the indefinite detention legislation who contend that the bill “applies to American citizens and designates the world as the battlefield,” and that the “heart of the issue is whether or not the United States is part of the battlefield,” Sen. Udall disagrees, and says that we can win this fight without worldwide war and worldwide indefinite detention.
The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown. That is an extreme position that will forever change our country.
Now is the time to stop this bad idea. Please urge your senators to vote YES on the Udall Amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act.
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November 26th, 2011 @ 3:11 pm
I saw j edgar today. Easy to see how the deception is. Edgar was a closet gay and so is other powerful men
November 26th, 2011 @ 6:24 pm
Orly, I found this in the bill. Is this the part that you are concerned about?
“(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under
this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”
November 26th, 2011 @ 6:59 pm
The irony of all this is that the same people who decry the impounding of Japanese-Americans during World War II, who find that action morally reprehensible, ARE THE VERY ONES SUPPORTING THIS BILL !!!!
November 26th, 2011 @ 7:32 pm
But isn’t, Udall a Democrat?
November 26th, 2011 @ 9:48 pm
Check Google: On November 17. 2011 Obama signed a NEW BILL to jail 500,000 or More US citizens for the crime of opposing their government! 1200 architects and engineers who question 911 have been deemed TERRORISTS! Obana said US citizens are a threat to HIS nations security! Full story from eutimes.net posted on Dr. Kate.
November 26th, 2011 @ 9:54 pm
this sounds like a hoax, I never heard of anything like this
November 26th, 2011 @ 9:58 pm
haven’t you heard of posse comitatus for goodness sakes
November 26th, 2011 @ 9:59 pm
who is supporting this bill?
November 26th, 2011 @ 10:00 pm
e-mail me the whole bill
November 26th, 2011 @ 10:05 pm
it seems most of people in power are. I don’t believe our ruling oligarchy will give a n od to anyone without some skeletons in the closet and buttons to push
c’est la vie
PS I saw it today as well, pretty powerful and sad at the same time
November 27th, 2011 @ 4:33 am
Paul,
does March 2009 authorization include military force within the US in violation of posse commitatus?
November 27th, 2011 @ 5:04 am
This law is passed every year. It’s not exactly new. Here’s a link to the bill…
https://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=a34ce3db-80b0-4c82-8103-7098deb1751b
According to reports in the press, Section 1034 is the section added that everyone is up in arms about.
“Section 1034—Affirmation of Armed Conflict with Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Associated
Forces
This section would affirm that the United States is engaged in an armed conflict with al
Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force
(Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note). This section would also affirm that the President’s
authority pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force includes the authority to detain
certain belligerents until the termination of hostilities.
The committee notes that as the United States nears the tenth anniversary of the attacks
on September 11, 2001, the terrorist threat has evolved as a result of intense military and
diplomatic pressure from the United States and its coalition partners. However, Al Qaeda, the
Taliban, and associated forces still pose a grave threat to U.S. national security. The
Authorization for Use of Military Force necessarily includes the authority to address the
continuing and evolving threat posed by these groups.
The committee supports the Executive Branch’s interpretation of the Authorization for
Use of Military Force, as it was described in a March 13, 2009, filing before the U.S. District
Court for the District of Columbia. While this affirmation is not intended to limit or alter the
President’s existing authority pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force, the
Executive Branch’s March 13, 2009, interpretation remains consistent with the scope of the
authorities provided by Congress.”
November 27th, 2011 @ 8:18 am
h t t p ://w w w .gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf
November 27th, 2011 @ 8:32 am
Hey Barbi Dee. Why don’t you spread a few more lies, okay?
The eutimes article is full of s***. That bill, H.R. 1955, was introduced in the 110th Congress, which adjourned in December 2008. Any bill not passed by both Houses before adjournment automatically died.
H.R. 1955 passed the House but not the Senate. It was never presented to Obama.
“This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven’t passed are cleared from the books.”
Go back to sixth grade.
November 27th, 2011 @ 9:13 am
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November 27th, 2011 @ 4:33 am
Paul,
does March 2009 authorization include military force within the US in violation of posse commitatus?”
No, ma’am.
Additionally, the Posse Comitatus Act (contrary to popular belief) does not prohibit the use of military force within the U.S.
November 27th, 2011 @ 12:29 pm
Sec. 1032(b)(1) and (2) prohibit application of terrorist detention provisions to U.S. citizens and resident aliens. Sec. 1034 deals with funding facilities and says nothing about detention.
Clearly this is another scare, Orly, by the left. We can relax.
November 27th, 2011 @ 10:09 pm
Are You Scheduled For Government Interrogation or Detainment Should Senators’ Carl Levin (D-MI) and John McCain (R-AZ) S. 1867 Is Passed?
Senators Carl Levin (D-MI) and John McCain (R-AZ) recently sponsored S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act that could detain any U.S. Citizen without due process. How might Americans respond should U.S. Government use S. 1867 to take away their family members, loved ones and friends on mere suspicion? McCain’s prior bill S.3081 had the potential of spawning domestic terrorism in the United States.
McCain’s recently introduced S. 1867 is his second shot at getting this fascist legislation passed: On March 4, 2010, Sen. John McCain introduced S. 3081 a similar bill, “The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010.” Under McCain’s S.3081 an “individual” would need only be “suspected” by Government of “suspicious activity” of “supporting hostilities” to be dragged off and held indefinitely in Military Custody. U.S. Government would have acquired the power to interrogate and detain any individual without probable cause. U.S. Government would only need allege—an individual kept in detention was an “Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent” (suspected of): having purposefully and materially supported or engaged in hostilities in America; against the United States or its coalition partners. How could anyone prove to Government, they did not purposely do something? U.S. Government could have detained any person or group that spoke out or demonstrated disapproval against any agency of U.S. Government.
When you read McCain’s bill, it appeared “suspicion” was not even necessary for government to detain or interrogate a U.S. Citizen in America. The Bill’s Definition for Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent: (Anyone Subject to a Military Commission.)
Similar to fascist laws in other countries, McCain’s S.3081 if passed, would have frightened Americans from speaking out. S.3081 was so broadly written it appeared any “individual” who dared write on the Internet or verbally express an opinion against U.S. Government or its Coalition Partners could be detained on the basis he or she was an “unprivileged enemy belligerent supporting hostilities.” At least under the Patriot Act, U.S. government generally needs probable cause to detain a person indefinitely. The passage of McCain’s S.3081 would have allowed government to use (mere suspicion) to curtail Americans’ Constitutional Protections against unlawful arrest, detention and interrogation—without the benefit of legal counsel and trial. Under the Mc Cain bill, U.S. Government was not required to provide detained individuals U.S. Miranda Warnings or even an attorney. It was foreseeable Americans might go underground to resist a tyrannical U.S. Government.
See McCain’s Prior Senate bill S.3081 at the web address below: compare McCain’s prior bill to his new bill: S. 1867.
https://assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/ARM10090.pdf [2]
FYI: below is enclosed a copy of Hitler’s Fascist “Discriminatory Decrees signed February 28, 1933.” Although the Nazi Decrees are worded differently, McCain’s S.3081 had the potential of bringing America to the same place, trashing Americans’ free speech and personal liberty. Note how the Nazi Laws similar to McCain’s S.3081, in Nazi Section (1) and (4) had the power to suspend Germans’ personal liberties and shutdown Free Speech to intimidate German Citizens speaking out against the Nazi Government:
From The Nazi Decrees 1933
See Section 1
“Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
Similar to McCain’s S. 3081, but using different wording the Nazi Government in Section (4) see below, suspended Constitutional rights; could order the arrest of Citizens for any Act that might incite or provoke disobedience against state authorities. McCain’s S. 3081 instead mentioned detaining and prosecuting Individuals for “supporting hostilities” in America; against the United States and or Coalition Partners. S.3081 was so broadly written anti-war protesters and Tea Party Groups might be arrested and detained just for attending demonstrations, i.e. providing support.
Immediately Below: The Nazi 1933 Decrees Signed By Hitler
1933. ROBL. I 83.
DECREE OF THE REICH PRESIDENT FOR THE PROTECTION OF
THE PEOPLE AND STATE
Note: Based on translations by State Department, National Socialism, 1942 PP. 215-17, and Pollak, J.K., and Heneman, H.J., The Hitler Decrees, (1934), pp. 10-11.7
In virtue of Section 48 (2) of the German Constitution, the following is decreed as a defensive measure against Communist acts of Violence, endangering the state:
Section 1
Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.
Section 2
If in a state the measures necessary for the restoration of public security and order are not taken, the Reich Government may temporarily take over the powers of the highest state authority.
Section 4
Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reichsmarks.
Who ever endangers human life by violating Section 1, is to be punished by sentence to a penitentiary, under mitigating circumstances with imprisonment of not less than six months and, when violation causes the death of a person, with death, under mitigating circumstances with a penitentiary sentence of not less that two years. In addition the sentence my include confiscation of property.
Whoever provokes an inciter to or act contrary to public welfare is to be punished with a penitentiary sentence, under mitigating circumstances, with imprisonment of not less than three months.
Section 5
The crimes which under the Criminal Code are punishable with penitentiary for life are to be punished with death: i.e., in Sections 81 (high treason), 229 (poisoning), 306 (arson), 311 (explosion), 312 (floods), 315, paragraph 2 (damage to railroad properties, 324 (general poisoning).
Insofar as a more severe punishment has not been previously provided for, the following are punishable with death or with life imprisonment or with imprisonment not to exceed 15 years:
1. Anyone who undertakes to kill the Reich President or a member or a commissioner of the Reich Government or of a state government, or provokes to such a killing, or agrees to commit it, or accepts such an offer, or conspires with another for such a murder;
2. Anyone who under Section 115 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious rioting) or of Section 125 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious disturbance of the peace) commits the act with arms or cooperates consciously and intentionally with an armed person;
3. Anyone who commits a kidnapping under Section 239 of the Criminal with the intention of making use of the kidnapped person as a hostage in the political struggle.
Section 6
This decree enters in force on the day of its promulgation.
Reich President Reich Chancellor Reich Minister of the Interior
Reich Minister of Justice
Some members in the Obama Government appear bent on curtailing Citizens’ rights especially Free Speech and Opinions. In the run up to Sen. McCain’s introduced S. 3081, it was reported Top Obama Czar Cass Sunstein Proposed Infiltrating all ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ in a paper prepared in 2008—that apparently expressed: Government should infiltrate and spy on Americans, their groups and organizations to obstruct Free Speech, disrupt the exchange of ideas and disseminate false information to neutralize Americans that might question government. See news story: https://www.wnd.com/?pageId=121884 [3]
November 28th, 2011 @ 4:27 pm
R. Riley
November 27th, 2011 @ 10:09 pm
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Only if you you wish to give information that is in the negative form of free speech against Obama and his propaganda machine. If so, he and the socialists/Communist appointed by him have a direct website to report your neighbors and/or any others directing free speech against him and his regime.
Other than that, you have no rights to question the Muslim in chief socialist as a United States Citizen, his allegiances, duel or otherwise, or anything pertaining to such. Least it’s a race card if questioned.
Do American Citizens have a right to know?
…YOU DAMN RIGHT WE DO, AND WILL…..And it will not be, he said she said on T.V., therefore it is. That is hearsay…
November 29th, 2011 @ 1:30 pm
american norman rockwell face. first torture than this. whats next. Wher are the defenders of democracy,liberty and freedom
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