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Obama is laughed at when he talks about human origin of global warming

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Wednesday night the Usurper In Chief made the statement that in spite of overwhelming proof, some people still refuse to acknowledge global warming.  The link below lists 31,486 of them.  See for yourself! — Mack

A petition was signed by 31,486 American Scientists that stated … “there is no scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” 

For information on the peer-reviewed research and a list of signers by state, click here . . . 
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Climate chief was told of false glacier claims before Copenhagen

A glacier in Nepal

Most experts believe that the Himalayan glaciers will take centuries to melt

“Overwhelming Scientific Evidence”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99DMZiA2ybA

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The chairman of the leading climate change watchdog was informed that claims about melting Himalayan glaciers were false before the Copenhagen summit, The Times has learnt.

Rajendra Pachauri was told that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment that the glaciers would disappear by 2035 was wrong, but he waited two months to correct it. He failed to act despite learning that the claim had been refuted by several leading glaciologists.

The IPCC’s report underpinned the proposals at Copenhagen for drastic cuts in global emissions.

Dr Pachauri, who played a leading role at the summit, corrected the error last week after coming under media pressure. He told The Times on January 22 that he had only known about the error for a few days. He said: “I became aware of this when it was reported in the media about ten days ago. Before that, it was really not made known. Nobody brought it to my attention. There were statements, but we never looked at this 2035 number.”

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Asked whether he had deliberately kept silent about the error to avoid embarrassment at Copenhagen, he said: “That’s ridiculous. It never came to my attention before the Copenhagen summit. It wasn’t in the public sphere.”

However, a prominent science journalist said that he had asked Dr Pachauri about the 2035 error last November. Pallava Bagla, who writes for Science journal, said he had asked Dr Pachauri about the error. He said that Dr Pachauri had replied: “I don’t have anything to add on glaciers.”

The Himalayan glaciers are so thick and at such high altitude that most glaciologists believe they would take several hundred years to melt at the present rate. Some are growing and many show little sign of change.

Dr Pachauri had previously dismissed a report by the Indian Government which said that glaciers might not be melting as much as had been feared. He described the report, which did not mention the 2035 error, as “voodoo science”.

Mr Bagla said he had informed Dr Pachauri that Graham Cogley, a professor at Ontario Trent University and a leading glaciologist, had dismissed the 2035 date as being wrong by at least 300 years. Professor Cogley believed the IPCC had misread the date in a 1996 report which said the glaciers could melt significantly by 2350.

Mr Pallava interviewed Dr Pachauri again this week for Science and asked him why he had decided to overlook the error before the Copenhagen summit. In the taped interview, Mr Pallava asked: “I pointed it out [the error] to you in several e-mails, several discussions, yet you decided to overlook it. Was that so that you did not want to destabilise what was happening in Copenhagen?”

Dr Pachauri replied: “Not at all, not at all. As it happens, we were all terribly preoccupied with a lot of events. We were working round the clock with several things that had to be done in Copenhagen. It was only when the story broke, I think in December, we decided to, well, early this month — as a matter of fact, I can give you the exact dates — early in January that we decided to go into it and we moved very fast.

“And within three or four days, we were able to come up with a clear and a very honest and objective assessment of what had happened. So I think this presumption on your part or on the part of any others is totally wrong. We are certainly never — and I can say this categorically — ever going to do anything other than what is truthful and what upholds the veracity of science.”

Dr Pacharui has also been accused of using the error to win grants worth hundreds of thousands of pounds.

 

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Augustus Denc wrote:
I cannot allow Norman Goldner to go unchallenged.

“Ah – but the ice is getting thinner” is the warmists latest response to the incontrovertible satellite evidence that the area of the ice is not decreasing as warmists have previously claimed.

And Norman duly trots it out.

And its as rubbish as the idea that melting sea ice would cause the seas to rise.

Most of the worlds ice is in Antartica. If it was getting thinner there would be rivers of water running across it and cascading into the sea. If there were such rivers you would be sure to see them all over the screens at the Big Brainwashing Corporation. There are no such rivers and so the ice is not getting thinner.

Or does the warmists ” science ” say its melting out from underneath?

And Norman – we are a little too busy to trot round the worlds 140,000 glaciers to check out anecdotal evidence, so maybe you can point us to an authorititive study that says they are melting [ not the IPCC obviously ]

And btw Norman – we do not need to go to Bangladesh to check out sea levels because if they were rising Bangladesh they would be rising everywhere. Thats “science” you see.

January 31, 2010 1:33 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk
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Kevin Kirchman wrote:
All glaciers melt–they are frozen rivers.

“Bangladesh – New data shows that Bangladesh’s landmass is increasing, contradicting forecasts that the South Asian nation will be under the waves by the end of the century, experts say.

“Scientists from the Dhaka-based Center for Environment and Geographic Information Services (CEGIS) have studied 32 years of satellite images and say Bangladesh’s landmass has increased by 20 square kilometres (eight square miles) annually.

“Maminul Haque Sarker, head of the department at the government-owned centre that looks at boundary changes, said sediment which travelled down the big Himalayan rivers the Ganges and the Brahmaputra — had caused the landmass to increase.”

January 31, 2010 1:33 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk
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Kevin Kirchman wrote:
Adam Maradi is just wrong.

The main forces driving climate change are gravitational fields affecting the Earth, through the process of friction on fluids such as the oceans and the molten center of the planet, as well as the known relationship of absorption of solar radiation.

Yes, there is correlation between CO2 concentration and temperature, but the causal relation is that higher temperatures increase atmospheric CO2 (because warmer water cannot store as much CO2 and releases it into the atmosphere).

Sea levels are not rising. According to the IPCC Bangladesh will lose 17% of its land by 2050 because of rising sea levels caused by global warming.
Given that man-made global warming started around 1950, according to current theory, what has the effect of it been so far on Bangladesh’s land area?
According to Bangladesh’s own government scientists, the country is actually GAINING land”.

The problem is that there is absolutely no credible evidence for global warming–not any more.

You people have had your chance, your leaders have showed the origins of their self-interest bias, and now it’s time to cut the c, and completely review all these rubbish conclusions, which are nothing near to science.

January 31, 2010 1:27 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk
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