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Maybe, we should pause with taking down of statues of General Robert Lee, as removal of statues precipitates protests, which end with violence on both sides

Posted on | August 12, 2017 | 31 Comments

Let me start by saying that I condemn all violence on both sides. I condemn the driver who plowed in the crowd of people. If this driver is not clinically insane and did it intentionally, he should get the strongest punishment, maybe death penalty, if the jurisdiction allows for it. I condemn NAZIsm and racism. With that being said, here is my question: should the city counsels continue taking down statues of historical figures, which precipitates protests and ends with violence on both sides?

Today’s violent clashes started with the announced plans for removal of a statue of General Robert Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia. It is true that Lee was a general in the Confederate army, however he was also an American hero who won battles in Mexican-American war and was the superintendent in the US military academy.

My question is: will we end up taking down the statues of George Washington as well? After all, our first president, who was instrumental in creating this great nation, was a slave owner, as many were in those days. Will we rename the Washington state and Washington DC?

Maybe, we should stop taking down the statues, which causes protests, which end in violence from both sides, from white lives matter and counter protests from black lives matter? After all, we ended slavery, we condemn slavery and we have equality today. However, two hundred years ago slavery existed and we celebrate George Washington not because he was a slave owner, but because he was our first president, who fought to create this nation. We celebrate General Lee not because he was a slave owner, but because he was a brave general who was instrumental in our win in the Mexican-American war.

Maybe, instead of taking down statues of historical figures, our city counsels should concentrate on helping people today, such as building low income housing, building schools and hospitals, providing professional training for unemployed, creating preschools for low income, filling potholes in the roads, repaving streets and fixing city lights. I think that the city counsels, such as as the counsel of Charlottesville and other cities  should take care of the residents and their needs instead of taking down the statues.

What do you think?

Ky. mayor: 2 Confederate statues to come down after Charlottesville

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31 Responses to “Maybe, we should pause with taking down of statues of General Robert Lee, as removal of statues precipitates protests, which end with violence on both sides”

  1. Linda Starr
    August 12th, 2017 @ 11:46 pm

    Last February they also voted to change the name of the park from Lee Park to Emancipation Park!

    They’re trying to erase history all over America.

    They’ve recently voted to change the names of two streets in Phoenix that referenced the Civil War.

  2. Rich
    August 13th, 2017 @ 3:45 am

    I agree wholeheartedly Orly. Who ordered the removal of the statue? I suspect it was the same old liberal Shadow Government again using racial political unrest to overturn the last election. The liberals have backed themselves into a corner.

  3. Norbert
    August 13th, 2017 @ 4:02 am

    I have to disagree. There is one big difference between Confederate monuments and others. George Washington may have owned slaves, but he didn’t fight a war that nearly destroyed the United States in order to preserve slavery. Is it possible that slavery could have been ended without a war? Perhaps, but we will never really know and if you read the arguments for Secession from EVERY state of the Confederacy, it is absolutely clear that “States Rights” was a way of trying to avoid saying “slavery.” And with the history of segregation and Jim Crowe, it is clear that those monuments were a not very subtle rejection of everything the Civil War was fought to achieve. I do believe that the Confederate cemeteries are hallowed ground just like any cemetery, but monuments to those who lead a movement meant to destroy the nation should never have gone up to begin with.

  4. Greg Howard
    August 13th, 2017 @ 6:16 am

    Ummm… the statue at the center of the Virginia unpleasantness depicts Lee in his CAF uniform and not the one he wore in Mexico.

  5. Virginia W.
    August 13th, 2017 @ 6:41 am

    After watching 2 years of mayhem at Trump rallies always initiated by the soros paid thugs while the cops stood down, people have had it. We can thank Nikki Haley for starting this madness of trying to destroy our history in July 2015 by removing our Confederate flag. Now this. The crazy left has even proposed exhuming bodies of Confederate soldiers. This is insane. Soros/obama/clintons/globalists need to just leave Americans alone. Enough!

  6. Gary Vincent
    August 13th, 2017 @ 7:21 am

    The south hated the north because of their insane thought process. Had nothing to do with slavery. You had a crazy mental looking old guy for president that would not listen to his advisers and ended up with 700,000 dead. South wanted to stay a sane country. Unfortunately we know what happened.

  7. steve wittlake
    August 13th, 2017 @ 7:21 am

    I think the Civil War would have happened without the slavery issue. G

  8. steve wittlake
    August 13th, 2017 @ 7:49 am

    Georg Soros Should be deported back to Hungary for what he did during World War 2.

  9. Rich
    August 13th, 2017 @ 7:59 am

    It’s racial politics. No country in history has treated minorities as well as this predominantly white nation. A majority white population voted special rights for minorities to make sure they were treated fairly. That majority as narrowed considerably and look was is happening. Minorities now control large portions of the country and the more special rights handed out the worse it gets. The trouble is corrupt politics not skin color.

  10. marina
    August 13th, 2017 @ 9:55 am

    W.Churchill was wright that the future fascist will call themselves “antifascist”. Changing history, burn/remove monuments, censorship, burn books etc are fascism aka progressivism.
    Changing gender of kids, propagandizing all type of perverted life style are the satanic crime against humanity.
    “We will homosexualize and feminize tens of thousand of millions of your(white sic.) sons (sic)” – was the one famous person in government and fortunately he is dead in the hell
    Alexandr Solzhenitsyn’s last few books people have to read.
    Truth shall set you free!

  11. Alexander Gofen
    August 13th, 2017 @ 10:12 am

    I do not agree with the appeasing tone of this letter. Moreover, the letter misses the real goal of the globalists and NWO fanning this racial conflict now:

    – It’s NOT about the old racism as under-treatment of people of color; And…

    – It’s NOT about a demand about even MORE over-treatment of the minorities and MORE bending back before them in a paroxysms of the “white guilt”;

    – It’s ABOUT the NWO’s DENIAL OF OUR NATIONAL IDENTITY as a Judeo-Christian nation speaking English of people of European descent, i.e. denial that we are predominantly WHITE nation! The NWO scum claims (like in Canada) as though we are NOT PARTICULAR RACE AND ETHNICITY AND FAITH NATION! As though we were anything in the world nation (like Canada). Damn NO! They promote the REPLACEMENT MIGRATION! And we must roar…

    YOU WILL NOT REPLACE US! WE (THE WHITES) WERE AND ARE GOING TO REMAIN A MAJORITY HERE! NOT ONLY DO WHITE LIVES MATTER, BUT WE WILL TAKE CARE THAT OUR NATION ALWAYS REMAIN AS IT WAS FOUNDED – WHITE!

    Not “may be”, but we MUST stop taking down the statues of Gen. Robert Lee. Those which are uncomfortable with them are free to leave for good elsewhere to be majority there and enjoy different statutes. See http://judeochristianamerica.org/UflandAboutBlacksIn1958.htm

  12. Norbert
    August 13th, 2017 @ 10:15 am

    Rich, you are right that minorities have done well here, but that didn’t happen without terrible struggles (and that’s not just for the blacks, but also the Irish, the Chinese, Latinos…) and there have always been people who want to take their rights away again. What you are saying is pretty much what the “good” German’s said about the Jews in the 1930s. ” I’m not antiseptic, but look what has happened ever since we allowed the Jews into politics and finance…” My father was born in Germany in 1924. When I was a child, he took part in the big Civil Rights marches. My mother, who was born here, didn’t want him to go but he always said “it’s not enough to disagree with racism, you have to take a stand.” Let’s not lie to ourselves. Racism is alive and well and it’s not just a black/white thing.

  13. Kay Burnett
    August 13th, 2017 @ 10:35 am

    A microcosm of Truth…beautiful to contemplate.

    Thank you, Orly,
    Kay

  14. steve wittlake
    August 13th, 2017 @ 10:49 am

    The news quoting a former teacher says this guy has a Nazi background. I think the government needs to pick up Sores give him to Hungary for World War 2 war crimes and get him of the street.

  15. Neil SANKEY
    August 13th, 2017 @ 11:03 am

    It shows ignorance, it shows bigotry. “If you don’t like what the article depicts, tear it down and destroy it” History is distorted enough by human input, leave it alone!. What would have happened if the Ancients had totally obliterated places like Gobekli tepe and Pumapunku ? Obama did far to much of this with public record obfuscation, destroying the real record in favor of what you would like to have happened! It is wrong.

  16. Braulio
    August 13th, 2017 @ 3:16 pm

    is all part of the never ending plan to remove Donald Trump from office, and continue destroying this great Nation.

  17. 12th Generation American
    August 13th, 2017 @ 4:13 pm

    These statutes have not bothered anyone for over a hundred years. They are just stone standing there. Troublemakers are now using them as an excuse to riot and cause unrest. Removing them will not change history. Obviously removing them just causes violence?!!? The Civil War was not about slavery as we are tried to make believe in order to create havoc! The war was about States rights. You just can’t fix stupid!
    I’m sure the MSM will let us all know the next time a stone statue attacks a person?!!?!?

  18. js/js
    August 13th, 2017 @ 11:30 pm

    IMO, the statues should be preserved as is as a

    part of US history. Whether of stone, metal,

    iron, copper, ceramic, etc., they should all

    be preserved and given additional name plates,

    and historical curation. If legally removed by

    act or plebiscite, the monuments should be

    moved to a local museum, cemetery, churchyard,

    or private municipal space, or farm, or arcade

    center. They should NOT be destroyed. It is

    purely fascism to re-write and suppress and

    deny our American history–both tragic and

    affirmative, or even neutral. Let us try to

    get beyond this sad introspective period. Let

    us guard against racial hysteria and total

    revisionism. IMO. Warn em, Danno!!!

  19. W
    August 14th, 2017 @ 12:41 am

    No more removal of any flags, statues or any other symbols of our history. Should we tear down the 9-11 memorial because it offends muslims? Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. After the Civil War the North abused the South. There was more hate rage and anger in the South than ever and Robert E Lee went all over the South encouraging forgiveness and he single handedly broke the back of all the hate for good. That is what truly reunited us as one country was his tour of peace which went on for years. Why did no one here mention this? If you don’t know our history then don’t post your opinions here or anywhere else. Your ignorance is showing and you can’t fix stupid.

  20. James Carter
    August 14th, 2017 @ 5:35 am

    Remove all reminders of the Confederacy…buildings, statues, schools, streets, signs, books, etc., etc. After all is said and done when someone plays the slavery card we can say there’s no evidence of slavery.

  21. Rich
    August 14th, 2017 @ 8:14 am

    The statue removal was a part of the well planned arsenal of catalysts designed to disorganize the Trump initiatives aimed at restoring Our Nation. Turn to any web service or media outlet and scroll down for a list of each item on the list of chaos that liberals are creating on a daily basis. Whatever normal people need to do to survive is under attack and being frantically replaced or diverted into the liberal insanity. The media creates a mine field of AD’s, sexual content, and more political advice for you to plow through. They control your mouse to make sure that you can’t miss it and divert you in order to force their selfish motives on you as well.

  22. AMERICA!!!!!!!!
    August 14th, 2017 @ 9:38 am

    Wow!

  23. AMERICA!!!
    August 14th, 2017 @ 10:40 am

    Wow! Orly, have had another post/info wiped off your site.

    And I only posted a little while ago!

    Does this happen to anyone else?

  24. Ray
    August 14th, 2017 @ 12:57 pm

    Poster 21: Soros probably did it, right?

  25. Starlight
    August 14th, 2017 @ 1:06 pm

    “Whatever normal people need to do to survive is under attack and being frantically replaced or diverted into the liberal insanity. The media creates a mine field of AD’s, sexual content, and more political advice for you to plow through.”

    Great comment, Rich, with honest, insightful
    perspective.
    ___________________________________________
    To America,

    No, I, personally, have not
    had any post removed by an unknown
    entity… not to say that some of them
    SHOULD be removed. (joke)

  26. AMERICA!!!
    August 14th, 2017 @ 1:16 pm

    LOL! Starlight:

    Yeah…this is very wild.

    I guess that the left doesn’t like my work here?

    But we all know who needs a lobotomy, right? 🙂

  27. js/js
    August 14th, 2017 @ 4:44 pm

    Let us also ask the US Archives take photos

    and pix of all the statues and monuments and

    print booklets on same, in color, etc. For

    sale and distribution. Others should make

    copies as toys for children, as gifts in

    cereal, as postcards, and as IT emojis. Let

    us not erase and destroy US history. No

    censorship, no revisionism, and no more

    racial hysteria. Remind em all, Danno!!!

  28. Robert Rigert
    August 15th, 2017 @ 9:07 am

    For the truth about the riots caused by Antifa and the mayor or Charlotsville go to websites Stefan Moleneau and info wars. Millie Weaver was at the rally and gave a first hand account of Antifa pelting the rally attendees with bags of human excrement and urine filled baloons. Her assistant was pepper sprayed in the face and she was sprayed on the arm. When asked for police protection they refused. The police were ordered to stand down and would not provide protection for those in the freedom rally who wanted to exercise their freedom to speech. it was the same at the inauguration and at Berkeley. The whole incident was perpetrated by the enemies of the people. Antifa and BLM are the brown shoes kkk of the democrat party and are terrorist entities used to stifle our first amendment rights and terorize the American people.

  29. taino21
    August 17th, 2017 @ 11:03 am

    js/js, agree 100% and I guess I’m going to hurt some feelings here. If you are too lazy to understand American History, I suggest to get your lazy butt of the couch and take a trip to a reputable library and do some research before you show how stupid you are. The hypocrites who claim how evil the south was, fail to point out that most port of entries prior the Civil War were on northern states with the exception of very, very few in the south. If the north was so much against slavery they should’ve prohibit any ships with slaves entry, but, money talks and bulls*** walks. They talk about segregation but don’t tell how their states segregated those who they were supposed to be helping. Go to N.Y.C., for most part, Blacks in their own area, Latinos in their own area, chinese, koreans, vietnamese,

  30. taino21
    August 17th, 2017 @ 11:08 am

    Damned pc, js/js, agree 100% and I guess I’m going to hurt some feelings here. If you are too lazy to understand American History, I suggest to get your lazy butt of the couch and take a trip to a reputable library and do some research before you show how stupid you are. The hypocrites who claim how evil the south was, fail to point out that most port of entries prior the Civil War were on northern states with the exception of very, very few in the south. If the north was so much against slavery they should’ve prohibit any ships with slaves entry, but, money talks and bulls*** walks. They talk about segregation but don’t tell how their states segregated those who they were supposed to be helping. Go to N.Y.C., for most part, Blacks in their own area, Latinos in their own area, chinese, koreans, vietnamese, italians, and manay others in their own area. Everything is the white man’s fault, yet, you go to these areas and those in their own ethnic groups are selling dope, robbing, and murdering their own. Go figure.

  31. turnright
    August 18th, 2017 @ 5:56 pm

    Isn’t the Statue Of Liberty, being modeled on a female, sexist?

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