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Far left Huf Post weighs how bad it would b for TX, if TX were to decide to secede following Scotland’s example

Posted on | September 18, 2014 | 14 Comments

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TEXAS WELCOME SIGN

There are plenty of things that President Obama has had to worry about since being re-elected president in 2012 — a continuing malaise about the economy, world crises that pop up with wack-a-mole frequency, and a lower house that makes even the minimal level of government functioning almost impossible. What he doesn’t have to worry about, however, is whether or not the United States will split apart, because red-state bile notwithstanding, most folks would rather hold their nose through the second Obama administration than jump ship altogether. Unfortunately, British Prime Minister David Cameron isn’t so lucky. He’s facing a riled up Scottish population on Thursday that is itching for the opportunity to ditch the U.K. (and him) and go the independence route. Economically and culturally that’d be like the U.S. losing Texas. Which begs the question, what would Texas secession actually look like? How would Americans fare under losing Texas compared to the British losing the Scots? The idea of a Texas secession may seem less likely than the Scots leaving the U.K., but the vote might be a lot closer than anyone in the U.S. would like.

Central Government Control

The United Kingdom is comprised of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, with about a million other territories and principalities still falling under U.K. control after a few hundred years of being the world’s biggest empire. For the last 30 years various U.K. Prime Ministers (Tony Blair in particular) has been pushing for a “devolved government” meaning that Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have more and more independence from the central government in London. This is, of course, in stark contrast to the United States, whereby all accounts the federal government has expanded its power, control and influence over individual states with increasing taxes, federal subsidies and intervention. Apparently a taste of freedom just excited the Scots more and they began the legal process to have a referendum on leaving the U.K. that will happen on Thursday, September 18. In the United States, despite the historically inaccurate trolling of Rick Perry, Texas actually doesn’t have the constitutional right to leave the United States, and given the loss of federal funds, support and military they probably wouldn’t.

Economics

The Scottish independence movement has argued pretty consistently that an independence Scotland would fare better economically than the current member of the U.K. Why? Because relative to the size of Scotland, they actually send more money down to London in taxes to subsidize other parts of the country than they receive back. This is a bit a simplification however. For example, a low tax state like Texas is in many ways subsidized by high tax blue states like California and New York but that doesn’t mean if the Longhorn state jumped from the union suddenly blue state America would have more change in their pockets. National economics is also about negotiations, exchanges and relationships. An independent Scotland would have to develop it’s own independent trade offices all over the world, and would no longer be able to rely on the U.K. infrastructure, EU exemptions and clout in trade wars across the world. Imagine if Governor turned (president? King? Supreme Ruler?) Rick Perry had to negotiate everything from cattle sales to satellite rates for the Longhorn Network with individual states, cable operators and ESPN. We all know he’d have a little trouble keeping track of more than three trade partners.

Foreign Policy

Foreign policy is probably the biggest difference in Texas two-step away from America and the Scots leaving London in “Old Europe”. The Scots don’t have particularly large foreign threats to concern themselves with, and what few terror threats they may have can be handled relatively easily. Further, since Scottish ship-building for the United Kingdom is so important they could easily negotiate some sort of boats for protection deal with the now Scot free but Scot dependent United Kingdom. Travel back and forth between the nations could be complicated, but in the interest of both sides, an onerous passport system to drive from Glasgow to London would be unlikely. The same can’t be said of an independent Texas and the United States. Texas has enough trouble protecting their borders from illegal immigrants and without federal funding for border patrols the United States would likely make border crossing between Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and other states extremely difficult. Not to mention what the contentious negotiations would be between the Republic of Texas and the United States as to whether over 30 U.S. military installations would stay in the state and at what cost.

Leadership

President Obama is pretty unpopular in Texas, he’s never earned more than 45 percent of the vote in either of his presidential elections and in some counties his job approval ratings are in the single digits. In fact, most of the secessionist cries from Texas (over 1,000,000 signatures actually) came after he was re-elected in 2012. However, Obama’s got nothing on David Cameron in the unpopularity department. When he took office in 2010, David Cameron was the first British prime minister in 30 years to have to cobble together a coalition government because his Conservative Tory Party wasn’t popular enough to secure an absolute majority. Teamed with the perpetual third wheel Liberal Democrat party Camerons’ continued his downward slide, and it’s taking a toll on the Scottish independence vote. “Better Together” the Scottish movement to stay in the U.K., has repeatedly, politely, asked that the Prime Minister stay out of Scotland during the independence referendum. Cameron’s last minute desperate campaign trips to help the “No” vote are actually hurting the cause, say activists. He’s so unpopular that polls show 54% of Scotts would rather be an independent nation than remain under Cameron’s leadership if he’s re-elected in 2015.

In the end, the result of the Scottish independence vote will have a lasting impact on British Politics, because whether the Scots stay or go, the vote itself is a shock to the U.K. economy that doesn’t bode well for incumbents. Here on the other side of the Atlantic we shouldn’t be too worried. Chances are pretty low that Texas could try to pull off the same stunt as the Scots, and even if they did failure is almost guaranteed. Now all those Longhorn fans can rest easy, and Obama can keep worrying about holding his fractured party together more than a fractured country.

Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of Political Science at Hiram College and a frequent guest on Al Jazeera English, CNN and MSNBC. You can follow him on Twitter @DrJasonJohnson https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-jason-johnson/what-if-the-united-states_b_5837858.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Comments

14 Responses to “Far left Huf Post weighs how bad it would b for TX, if TX were to decide to secede following Scotland’s example”

  1. Thomas
    September 18th, 2014 @ 9:52 am

    Before Becoming A State, TX WAS Its Own Nation… So They Could Return To Its Original Charter And The Federal Government Could Do NOTHING About It, Besides Crying In Their Beer.

  2. David
    September 18th, 2014 @ 10:00 am

    Jefferson Davis was never tried for secession after the civil war (War of Northern Aggression) because it’s not a crime.
    https://www.southernheritage411.com/truehistory.php?th=065

  3. David
    September 18th, 2014 @ 10:57 am

    This is a link to the book by Albert Bledsoe defending Jefferson Davis and secession by the states.
    https://archive.org/details/isdavisatraitor00bledgoog

  4. Davey Crockett
    September 18th, 2014 @ 3:04 pm

    If Texas does do it, then, it is not unlawful!

    And I think that Huffy just doesn’t want anything to upset the stats quo! They should explain why?

  5. raicha
    September 19th, 2014 @ 8:14 am

    Texas v. White, 74 US 700 (1869):

    “4. The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to “be perpetual.” And, when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained “to form a more perfect Union.”

    5. But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union by no means implies the loss of distinct and individual existence, or of the right of self-government by the States. On the contrary, it may be not unreasonably said that the preservation of the States and the maintenance of their governments are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government. The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States.

    6. When Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

    7. Considered as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention, and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union.”

  6. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    September 19th, 2014 @ 11:35 am

    this is not a law, this is just a dicta, something stated in passing. There is no law stating that TX cannot secede

  7. Obama's Nemesis on the Premesis
    September 19th, 2014 @ 2:09 pm

    Raicha: somewhere I remember reading that “…if the Nation (America) finds it necessary to save the Country, and if America is being taken down and not to our liking, then, we do have the right to change it to bring our Country back to it’s former status of liberty!” (Using my words.)

    And it was never made a law that a state couldn’t secede, since President Lincoln didn’t ask Congress to make such a law! They brought the idea of ending slavery into the picture.

    And just plan civil war ended slavery (and with the Proclamation to free the slaves) and ended the Confederacy!

  8. raicha
    September 19th, 2014 @ 3:14 pm

    Dr. Taitz, is disengenuous, chicken-hearted, and intellectually bankrupt for you to leave my legal commentary in moderation while approving other comments that agree with your analysis

    What is wrong with a legal discussion in the light of day? If you have a countering position based in case law, Constitution or statute, then bring it.

  9. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    September 19th, 2014 @ 6:29 pm

    Rae, I will post your commentary right after you agree to have a legal and factual discussion at American Bar association meeting about treason committed by high ranking judges covering up Obama’s use of a stolen CT Social Security number and fabricated IDs. Should we arrange that?

  10. raicha
    September 19th, 2014 @ 6:41 pm

    I am not a member of the American Bar Association and do not control their agenda. Instead of discussing the topic you raised your self by publishing this post, you want to change the subject and the venue. It appears you are conceding that you are wrong (on the facts and the law) regarding the nonexistent right to secede.

  11. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    September 20th, 2014 @ 6:33 am

    I am willing to debate both topics at an open forum. If you are not a member of ABA, you are probably a member of the CA bar association.

  12. Denise
    September 20th, 2014 @ 7:09 am

    I think we’ve been tricked into believing that the USA is a country when it is actually a union of 50 countries, like the EU. And each state is its own country.
    In other parts of the world countries are referred to as states.

  13. raicha
    September 20th, 2014 @ 3:47 pm

    What’s wrong with debating here? 846 sites link to yours. You claim millions of followers. What better exposure could you ask for?

  14. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    September 20th, 2014 @ 5:00 pm

    now 857 sites link to my site. What is important, is for people, who are not my followers, people on the left, like you, Rae, to know the truth

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