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September 9th, 2011 @ 10:48 am
What is a Item 7: “maximum unified credit” (Non-resident aliens???
Is this saying that he is a non-resident alien?
September 9th, 2011 @ 5:10 pm
oh holy SHIT!@!@# What are you, fucking CRAZY?!?!!
September 9th, 2011 @ 7:11 pm
No, Don. The parenthetical means that non-resident aliens are to follow different instructions.
Nice try, though. See if you can find any admissions elsewhere on the forms. If not, just make something else up and spread the rumor.
September 10th, 2011 @ 6:11 am
Insight
September 9th, 2011 @ 7:11 pm
…………….
Sorry but I don’t make things up like Mr. obama and his supporters!
I was raised to be honest and trustworthy.
But, I do ask questions and follow the Constitution, again unlike Congress and Mr. obama.
September 10th, 2011 @ 9:26 am
042-68-4425. SSN used by Barack Hussein Obama II in publicly available documents (2009 Tax Returns, 1980 Selective Service Registration). This SSN has been revealed to the public voluntarily by Barack Obama. Is it his SSN? The Social Security Administration’s SSN validation system says no, it is not his SSN. Barack Obama appears to be guilty of identity theft. Can anyone refute these facts and this conclusion? So, what should be done about this?
Some extremist Obama supporters say his identity theft is just fine. It’s ok with them. They like his policies, so ignore the identity theft. Others say we need further evidence. We need to see the Social Security number application form for 042-68-4425 to make sure it is not Obama’s number. That seems prudent. The Social Security Administration (SSA) refuses to make this document available. Why? Are the top-level bureaucrats at the SSA deliberately trying to cover up identity theft by Obama?
It is illustrative to assume each case and think through what that means. Case 1 – 042-68-4425 is Barack Obama’s legal SSN. If the SSA releases the original application for the 042-68-4425 SSN, it will show that Obama applied for it. No harm. No foul. No invasion of Obama’s privacy. The issue goes away. Case 2 – 042-68-4425 is not Barack Obama’s legal SSN. If the SSA releases the original application for the 042-68-4425 SSN, it will show that someone else applied for it, not Obama. This will prove conclusively that Obama is violating the law and guilty of identity theft.
For Case 1, there are no reasons for the SSA to withhold the original application for SSN 042-68-4425, since Obama has made this SSN publicly available. For Case 2, there are only two reasons for the SSA to withhold the original application for SSN 042-68-4425. 1) to protect the privacy of a current living holder of the SSN who has not voluntarily made this SSN publicly available, 2) to cover up crimes being committed by Barack H. Obama. Which reason is it? In either case, the SSA is aiding and abetting the commission of a crime by Obama.
September 10th, 2011 @ 2:10 pm
Birdy, thank you. Well said.
pig314, when you are talking to yourself , you can just use a mirror next time.
September 10th, 2011 @ 2:18 pm
Don,
you could make up the the rumour that Insight actually has some valid insight, but you can’t because of the way you were raised.
That’s the difference between you and them, my friend. Someone actually loved you enough to put some common sense in your head, instead of brainwashing you to think marxism is the answer.
September 11th, 2011 @ 3:10 am
Where’s the problem?
1. Obama has consistently used the same SSN. There is no proof he used any other SSN.
2. The SSA form return did *not* say the number does not belong to him, otherwise “SSN does not match” would’ve been checked.
So all you found was 100% proof that this really is Obama’s SSN.
Again, where’s the problem?
September 11th, 2011 @ 6:21 am
are you stupid or don’t know how to read English?
September 11th, 2011 @ 6:57 am
This SSN ___-__-4425 was Obama’s legal SSN to Orly posted it all over the place,and Obama was gived a new one.. ….Any one who thinks that Obama really went 30+ years useing a Fraudulent # is really dumb…geezeeee.
You all can cry all you want, but you will never get the new #
September 11th, 2011 @ 7:33 am
How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
If you suspect or know of an individual or company that is not complying with the tax laws, you may report this activity by completing Form 3949-A. You may fill out Form 3949-A online, print it and mail it to:
Internal Revenue Service
Fresno, CA 93888
If you do not wish to use Form 3949-A, you may send a letter to the address above. Please include the following information, if available:
Name and address of the person you are reporting
The taxpayer identification number (social security number for an individual or employer identification number for a business)
A brief description of the alleged violation, including how you became aware of or obtained the information
The years involved
The estimated dollar amount of any unreported income
Your name, address and daytime telephone number
Although you are not required to identify yourself, it is helpful to do so. Your identity can be kept confidential.
Frequently Asked Questions – 1.13 IRS Procedures: Reporting Fraud
September 11th, 2011 @ 8:55 am
Orly you’re such a hateful witch. What kind of public relations is that?
PS: I was thinking about how many websites I’ve seen where documents are scanned in and overlay and block everything else on the page… I’ve NEVER seen a website so poorly put together.
Have a great Sunday of hate. Maybe you can get the president deposed this week? HAH!
Loser. (Because you always lose. ALWAYS.)
September 11th, 2011 @ 8:59 am
so you ran out of excuses and have nothing else but insults, did you Laura?
September 11th, 2011 @ 9:19 am
Too chickenshit to post Mark Rudd’s comments? What’s with the censorship, Orly?
Oh, that’s right. You’re NOT AMERICAN. You don’t understand freedom of speech.
You don’t understand much.
You gonna come after me? Because I said some things you don’t like?
Commie witch. Go back to Russia.
September 11th, 2011 @ 10:12 am
Orly, release your records now! We The People demand that you prove you are in the country legally, that you are practicing medicine legally and the you are ‘practicing’ law legally.
September 11th, 2011 @ 11:06 am
Mark Rudd, I have a simple question for you…
Are you related to the atheists that flew planes into the twin towers 10 years ago?
(Orly, thank you for being more AMERICAN than mr. obama.)
September 11th, 2011 @ 11:35 am
all of my papers are readily available on line: my U.S. naturalization papers, my Ca dental license and my CA bar license. If someone wants to see the original hard copy documents maintained by any of these agencies, he or she has my consent to see the original docuents on file. Now I challenge Obama to do the same
September 11th, 2011 @ 12:59 pm
@ Don
“I do ask questions and follow the Constitution … .”
But you don’t read instructions.
September 11th, 2011 @ 1:02 pm
@Bi-Curious:
Simple answer: yes.
September 11th, 2011 @ 1:18 pm
Nope, just haven’t had time for you, after all you are not anywhere close to the top of my list of things to do, i just enjoy coming here when i don’t have much to do,I get a kick out of you birthers….
September 11th, 2011 @ 1:24 pm
CURIOUS,
I have a question for you, are you a idoit????
You have no idea who Mark Rudd is or what he thinks or does…for all you know he could have lost a love one that day…One reason why birthers are so dislike, they think only they are AMERICAN or we the people.. so damn dumb!!!
September 11th, 2011 @ 1:25 pm
Orly, thank you for being more AMERICAN than mr. obama.)
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2011 @ 2:08 pm
His employment at Baskin Robbins in Hawaii clinches it. One must have a SS# to work. His was issued in Hawaii. Later he has another number from Connecticut? More than enough probable cause to investigate every piece of paper in this slippery piece of works life. We get pulled over with beer on the breath and it advances to a search. This man’s Father was not a US citizen so he is not a NB citizen. We have probable cause for a complete Special Prosecutor investigation. A complete investigation Obama would be an affirmative action. We can’t stand by and see our Constitution Lynched.
I wonder if he received a dead man’s SS payments. He always lived like a Prince right out of school. It would be nice to know how many identities he has had. Also, is this a common scam with SS? Are other fraudsters collecting dead peoples SS checks?
September 11th, 2011 @ 2:33 pm
Orly, looking at the numerous comments over several days it appears to me the problem is not just any violations by Obama. The much larger problem is in the attitude of so many people that Obama is above the scrutiny as to all others and even immune from any personal criminal action(s). This large public disdain for opening up Obama’s files is a major obstacle to having an honest verifiable and complete disclosure of his background. There is a need to impress many people, if they truly believe in our Constitution, that there is more than the person Obama involved. Don’t expect any help by the court system or elected office holders.
September 11th, 2011 @ 2:46 pm
Hello Orly – keep up the good work! You will have Obama in jail in no time!
– Deb
September 11th, 2011 @ 3:24 pm
Orly,
Wow! I think these Obots are getting more hateful and desperate every minute. I didn’t think that was possible.
As we get even closer to obtaining the truth, it looks like they’re going to squeal, lie, obfuscate, insult, mislead, wail, accuse, cry, and nash their teeth even more.
That is their nature. There is always some b.s. answer as to why there are so many anomalies with Obama’s records. And when they don’t have anymore excuses left, they try to change the subject and complain about things like your “poorly put together” website! Hahahahaha!
It really is a sad thing that they believe, inside their small minds, that they could convince anyone their points are valid. This is absurd, of course, because all they really do is show their ever increasing mental derangement with every comment.
Mark Rudd even tried to get to you by calling you a communist! In his Bizzarro world, wouldn’t that be a compliment since his hero and king (Obama), is also a communist?
It really is pointless and a waste of time to try to engage these lost souls though, or try to decipher their gibberish! They are simply lost, and not worth the time.
September 12th, 2011 @ 8:01 am
@Samuel Ford,
Here’s the problem.
1. The SSA return form did not verify that SSN 045-68-4425 (from Obama’s Selective Service Registration form) belongs to Barack H. Obama with a DoB of 8/4/61, otherwise “SSA record does not verify. Other reason. SSA found a discrepancy in the record.” would not have been checked.
You can deny/obfuscate the truth all you want, but the SSA return form is 100% proof that there’s a discrepency (something wrong) with Obama’s SSN record.
September 12th, 2011 @ 8:24 am
The half-brother of President Obama’s father, Obama Onyango, 67, is now out of jail after his arrest last month (he was arrested for drunk driving in Massachusetts). Onyango, who is an illegal immigrant , will have to check in regularly with the feds as part of his release. So far, authorities are not saying how Onyango got the order to get out of jail.
Interesting that he was arrested, found to be illegal, yet ICE released him!
September 12th, 2011 @ 8:32 am
“All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand idly by and do nothing.”
If Obama has nothing to hide, he sure has a strange way of not hiding it! I will not blame any party, because the parties in and of themselves are both ridiculous at this point, but just as the “birther” monniker has been used to try and misdirect people from facts…..there needs to be an investigation at the highest levels because if Obama is indeed a fraud, as I suspect he is, there is absolutely ZERO chance he is anything more than a puppet, and we need to see who the puppet master is…..Soros?
September 12th, 2011 @ 9:26 am
Mr. Jim:
I’m new here but, how can you have 100% proof if they did not provide the registration form?
– Deb
September 12th, 2011 @ 10:51 am
I’ve been reading these comments and the people who seem to be attacking Orly’s excellent EVIDENCE use foul language a LOT! Yet they accuse people who simply want to have Mr Obama answer legitimate questions of being “hate-filled”?
Keep up the great work Orly Taitz…and here comes a donation!
September 12th, 2011 @ 10:56 am
Something I don’t understand. According to the form 709 M. obama gave B. obama a gift of $345,800 and B. obama gave m. obama a gift of $345,800. Something is NOT right.
Can anyone explain this to me?? Are they just passing the same money back and forth? Why?
September 12th, 2011 @ 1:05 pm
What’s wrong? Can’t post a response that is truthful?
September 12th, 2011 @ 3:14 pm
Don,
“These are not the droids you’re looking for”
Move along Don, nothing to see here…cough.. cough…
stutter…stutter…cough…change the subject…….cough …er……um…..cough……It must be Bush’s fault!
September 12th, 2011 @ 5:34 pm
@ Don in Tennessee
You definitely have a reading comprehension problem. $345,800 is VERY CLEARLY labeled “Maximum unified credit.”
It’s the unified estate and gift tax credit, stupid. The maximum amount of TAX CREDIT allowed to each taxpayer in a lifetime towards gifts and passing his/her estate.
Barrack Obama has a lifetime $345,800 unified estate and gift tax credit. Michelle Obama has a lifetime $345,800 unified estate and gift tax credit. For some reason Congress saw fit to give even stupid taxpayers like you a $345,800 unified estate and gift tax credit.
September 12th, 2011 @ 7:50 pm
Obots if u hate. America go to cuba or china and get the f outta here…
September 12th, 2011 @ 10:07 pm
#21 wrote:
“I have a question for you, are you a idoit”
“he could have lost a love one”
“birthers are so dislike”
Classic 😉
September 13th, 2011 @ 7:21 am
@Patty
“For 2011 and 2012, the federal estate tax exemption will be $5 million and the estate tax rate for estates valued over this amount will be 35%. The estate tax has also become unified with federal gift and generation-skipping transfer taxes such that the lifetime gift tax exemption and generation-skipping transfer tax exemption will be $5 million each and the tax rate for both of these taxes will also be 35%.” – about.com
September 13th, 2011 @ 11:26 am
#32: I should have been a little more clear. Could someone with intellengence explain to me why m. obama and b. obama are transferring funds back and forth.
September 14th, 2011 @ 3:22 am
“… and the people who seem to be attacking Orly’s excellent EVIDENCE use foul language a LOT! Yet they accuse people who simply want to have Mr Obama answer legitimate questions of being “hate-filled”?…”
Jerry, one of the most accurate and consistent clues in spotting a liberal poster is their use of extremely foul language. They are so angry – not only about what is happening with BO’s illegal POTUS problems, but also they are trying to deal with their anger and disappointment with him as their Messiah. They truly believed he was The Won they had been waiting for, and it’s turning out that he’s not. They are having difficulty dealing with it – much like a toddler who, lacking the maturity and social skills to properly deal with it, resorts to throwing himself onto the floor and into a raging temper tantrum. Liberals = children, conservatives = parents. And “liberals equals children” has nothing whatsoever to do with a liberal’s age. There are many senior citizens with immature liberal mindsets and rage. In effect, they have never grown up emotionally. And the liberal news sources they subscribe to keeps them in that pitiful state.
God bless you, Orly! You are a true American!
September 14th, 2011 @ 5:28 am
I’m feeling sorry for Don – everyone is ignoring his questions.
Don- you’re only seeing one page of the form. Looking at the whole form it seems the Obamas made no taxable gifts. If they had made taxable gifts then they could each have claimed a tax credit of up to $345800 before any tax was calculated.
September 14th, 2011 @ 6:47 am
WD.. Thank you. I just can’t believe the obots, so I had to re-ask. And no, I didn’t read the entire form. I’ve never had part of the form filled out for me before. ha!
Thanks again for the explaination.
September 14th, 2011 @ 7:35 am
Deb Uncher
Who did you mean by “they” and what “registration form” did “they” not provide?
RacerJim
September 14th, 2011 @ 8:19 am
“They are so angry – not only about what is happening with BO’s illegal POTUS problems, but also they are trying to deal with their anger and disappointment with him as their Messiah.”
Nahhhhh… We just think all you people are fucktards LOL
September 14th, 2011 @ 9:01 am
KBB,
Well spoken and spot on true.
And look, pig314 did you a favor, and proved your point without even knowing it.
September 14th, 2011 @ 9:05 am
Did I upset poor Orly??
September 14th, 2011 @ 9:46 am
HOW do I download the documents? All I see is the documents overlaid on the website?
September 14th, 2011 @ 10:17 am
“And look, pig314 did you a favor, and proved your point without even knowing it.”
Ummm… “proving” his point was the point. Congratulations, you’ve just been elected Fucktard In Chief.
September 14th, 2011 @ 10:35 am
@ WD
No, Don’s questions are not being ignored. Several attempts were made to answer them, but the moderator will not post them. I provided a link to the IRS publication that explains everything that Don has questions about.
September 14th, 2011 @ 5:32 pm
Pig314,
Hmm…let me get this staight. So you had the brilliant idea to prove to us all, that KBB’s point that people like you are tantrum throwing children, is accurate?
CONGRATULATONS! Admitting you have a serious problem is the first step to ObamBot recovery.
The second step would be to deal with the foul language. So since you have elected me the Chief, I hereby banish you to the corner for a timeout.
P.S. Don’t forget your Dunce hat
September 14th, 2011 @ 6:21 pm
Yes how they dowloaded.
September 14th, 2011 @ 8:53 pm
@ Don in Tennessee
“Could someone with intellengence explain to me why m. obama and b. obama are transferring funds back and forth.”
They aren’t. You just think they are. They have made joint gifts, most likely to their daughters, and each spouse is consenting to GIFT SPLITTING to stay under the annual gift tax exclusion amount. This is a common estate planning technique — to make transfer of small increments of wealth to the next generation(s). According to IRS Publication 950:
“If you are married, both you and your spouse can separately give gifts valued at up to $13,000 to the same person in 2009 without making a taxable gift. If one of you gives more than the $13,000 exclusion to a person in 2009, see Gift Splitting, later.” …
“In 2009, gift splitting allows married couples to give up to $26,000 to a person without making a taxable gift.
If you split a gift you made, you must file a gift tax return to show that you and your spouse agree to use gift splitting. You must file a Form 709 even if half of the split gift is less than the annual exclusion.”
See how that works? They were gift splitting, therefore Barack and Michelle each were required to file a Form 709 gift tax return to indicate consent. That’s exactly what they did for the gifts made in 2009.
The gift tax does not apply to transfers between a husband and wife. Obama can transfer funds to Michelle on Monday, and Michelle can transfer them right back to Obama on Tuesday, etc. without any tax consequence. There is no requirement to file a Form 709 for transfers between spouses.
September 14th, 2011 @ 8:57 pm
@ MinutemanCDC_SC
Your point?
You are conflating the tax credit with the amount it shelters. A tax credit is an amount that reduces or eliminates tax. It is different from the amount of taxable income/gift/estate that is sheltered by the credit.
In 2009, the year to which these gift tax returns applies, the $345,800 unified credit sheltered $1,000,000 of lifetime gifts. See IRS Publication 950.
September 15th, 2011 @ 4:46 am
Nice to see Rudd posting here. It means Orly has the upper hand and the dregs of the violent communist gang, the weathermen, have surfaced to once again try to intimidate and terrorize the patriotic citizens of this nation. Too bad for them though, the days of blowing up things, killing people and holding orgies to gain dupes and sneaking about have long passed. He might wish to emigrate to a Muslim nation that still engages in that form of democratic choice where the survivor wins power. Here, the rule of law will always prevail even if subverted for a time. This nation was founded that way and will be refounded that way in due course of time.
September 15th, 2011 @ 2:37 pm
@A Pen
My, what big balls you have, calling me a murderer.
We’ve never even met.
September 15th, 2011 @ 6:44 pm
@Mark Rudd
The ignorance of these fucktards knows no bounds.
September 15th, 2011 @ 6:56 pm
Mark,
Because of your vile and idiotic comments, we can all easily discern what you really believe, and who you really are.
So, you shouldn’t be surprised when someone implies that you’re as transparent as your leader’s clothes.
September 15th, 2011 @ 10:09 pm
Obot’s are so easy to spot: They have no factual documents to support their beliefs, so they attack the people who do, and they don’t have the communication skills, beyond profane 4 letter words, with which to express their lack of documentation to support theirs (Obama sealed them all. Oh My! Wonder why?). They are such sad, pathetic people, with nothing better to do than troll this site to monitor how we are closing in. They copy and paste to their websites, and then attack in numbers.
Some facts: Obama Onyango and his sister, Auntie Obama, both were illegal aliens, both had driver’s licenses, and SSN’s, hers issued in a state where she never lived. Auntie got a high priced immigration lawyer, paid for by an anonymous donor, who got her granted ‘asylum’ and citizenship. Now Uncle Onyango has the same immigration attorney, paid for by an anonymous donor, and will probably end up a citizen, just like Auntie. Wonder who the donor is?? Probably nephew Obama using tax $$$.
The PI’s and the debt collector have uncovered 39 different SSN’s associated with Barack Obama’s name, and 58 different residences all over the U.S., coast to coast. Imagine that!
And the SSN of Obama’s on his tax returns, selective service application of 1980 (on a form not in existence until May 2007) is also used by Harrison J. Bounel (this never issued CT number), who appears to be involved with that number in tax and real estate fraud connected to the Obama’s mansion in Chicago, the ‘sweet deal’ that jailbird Tony Rezco and his wife fixed them up with.
Now, for you Obots, you can hear the debt collectors original interview on the Rick Wiles, TruNews youtube video (just search), where Al informs Rick that he is (or at least was) an Obama supporter, contributor, and voted for him. Accidentally, in his line of work, he uncovered the truth about ‘the one’ and he was devastated and angry about how Obama has lied to the American people. He gave Orly a sworn affidavit as to all the crimes he uncovered. The Bounel tax/real estate fraud case is already under investigation (you can’t blame Orly for that, obots). Orly started the little snowball at the top of the hill, and as it rolls down towards Obama, it is going to be so damn big when it hits him at the bottom, he will be knocked clear to prison or deported to Kenya. I pray he spends the rest of his life in prison, very unlike the way he and Michelle have lived usurping the powers and privileges of the White House on the tax payers’ dimes.
September 15th, 2011 @ 10:16 pm
I have spent my afternoon tweeting the URL of this page of documents to every Congress member, every presidential candidate, every news organization that uses twitter, from Hawaii, to Washington State, to the East coast, and on to England, including Fox new’s affiliate SkyNews over there. This past week, I have also tweeted the URL’s of the documents to every Sheriff from coast to coast that I could find with a twitter account. You obots can be sure that Orly’s and the PI’s and Al’s documentation of Obama’s felonies are being spread far and wide, and into the hands of others who will spread them even further and wider. You might as well throw in the towel. Your slutty mouths and personal attacks are not going to stop the inevitable. The truth will come out, and Orly will be the most revered attorney in the land. THE JIG IS UP FOR OBAMA. People in high places are now contacting Orly and setting up meetings. YOU HAVE LOST!
September 16th, 2011 @ 5:08 am
> YOU HAVE LOST!
Let’s talk about this again in, say, 2 months, shall we? Then you’ll still be shouting “CHECKMATE”, not realizing you’re playing football and your score is 0-94.
September 16th, 2011 @ 5:33 am
Oh GAWD Flo… You would be funny if you weren’t so sadly, pathetically serious.
September 16th, 2011 @ 6:38 am
^5 The Truth & Florence Stone
September 16th, 2011 @ 9:13 am
Go Florence,
What’s the matter Michael and pig?
The truth hurts, doesn’t it?
September 16th, 2011 @ 10:03 am
Orly, you should contact that Harrison Bounel guy whose SSN is being used, and get an affidavit from him. I wonder if he ever lived in Connecticut.
September 16th, 2011 @ 1:22 pm
It’s time to take Jimmy Hoffa’s advice and “take you sons of bitches out” ..You birthers need to be dealt with in a harsh way. It’s coming….
September 16th, 2011 @ 1:24 pm
I hope Obama finishes destroying this disgusting country and ends up instituting mass extermination of birthers.
I have a feeling that will be reality soon.
Wanna make a bet?
September 16th, 2011 @ 4:54 pm
It sounds like “tom” is threatening to do harm to me and a lot of others. Maybe a visit from the FBI is in order.
September 17th, 2011 @ 7:01 am
A visit from the Guardian Eagles, Rolling Thunder and/or Oath Keepers would be more in order.
September 17th, 2011 @ 1:57 pm
Orly, Tom and anyone else that threatens anyone should be banned from this site, and their comments forwarded to the proper authorities without being printed.
September 18th, 2011 @ 6:50 am
Don in Tennessee,
I will answer your tax question. Like you, I had a few questions pertaining to this filing, therefore, since I am not a CPA tax accountant, I contacted one I know and she reviewed the form in question. Here is her response.
“Hi Bill,
I took a look at the Form 709 posted at Orly’s site. That is a Gift Tax Return form (2009) which must be used
to report annual gifts in excess of the amount allowed; however, in this case there were no annual gifts to be
used against the unified credit. It appears to me that the Forms 709, one for each Barrack and Michelle, were filed
merely as an informational report to show that NO GIFTS were made in 2009. I’ve done a number of these for a
doctor client in the past, and never file returns during years of no gifts because the instructions say that a return
need not be filed in such cases. (That is an immaterial point here, however.)
As far as the reference to “nonresident alien”, that is only to indicate that there are other instructions re. the unified
credit for one of those.
The reason that separate returns are filed by each spouse, is because WHEN THERE ARE GIFTS MADE DURING THE YEAR, each one consents to giving half of each gift to the donee. It is rather weird, but it results in a better situation, I understand. That is why she has to sign on HIS return as the consenting spouse, and he does likewise on her return.
Does this help? Gift tax returns can be quite complicated if large gifts are made and especially if generation-skipping
persons are involved. It would be nice if some could be obtained for prior years.”
Does that help Don?
September 18th, 2011 @ 8:33 am
Samuel Ford
September 11th, 2011 @ 3:10 am
Where’s the problem?
1. Obama has consistently used the same SSN. There is no proof he used any other SSN.
2. The SSA form return did *not* say the number does not belong to him, otherwise “SSN does not match” would’ve been checked.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Samuel Ford,
Albeit Dr. Orly responded to your question, I would like to take this opportunity to respond as well.
First, as a past mid-management corporate manager, I believe I have the experience and knowledge to address your acceptations of redundant skill sets and basic common federal labor laws utilized in the work force pertaining to the use of the E-verifying system on SS numbers.
Lets address your fist question:
“1) Obama has consistently used the same SSN. There is no proof he used any other SSN.”
Answer) This is highly false, either intentional or otherwise ignorant, no excuse is warranted on your part. Let’s examine a few factual discussion points.
A1) First, the SS dept. shows this particular number was issued years “after” Obama was of working age and known to be employed. There is a simple reasonable deduction analysis at hold here. In other words, If you Samuel, began employment in 1975, then you would have had to supply a SS card to your employer, right? However, 30 years later you apply for employment and present a SS card, the SS dept. shows you were issued that card in 1980.
Question: How did you gain employment in 1975 having to provide a SS card, but the current one you are providing shows it was not issue to you until 1980? If you answered, a different SS card number assigned, move to the head of the class.
Now certainly, there are a few legal exceptions to the re-issuing of a SS number. Stolen ID in today’s technology is one of them. A personal friend of mine was a victim to this SS fraud stolen I.D. in 2005. Long story short, he was in fact re-issued another number and currently uses it to this day.
Now given that example, would you say he is 6 years old and currently employed? Or would you say since 2005 he has a different number and “Prior” to 2005, he had a different number? Common deduction analysis is not that difficult. Obama, had a different number prior to the one issued he is using today, simply by be employed before the date issued on the one currently used.
“2. The SSA form return did *not* say the number does not belong to him, otherwise “SSN does not match” would’ve been checked.”
Answer) This is simply gibberish and makes little sense, you underwhelm me Samuel. (sigh).
Allow me to break this down for you in lay terms. No, when using the E-Verifying system for employment, you never get a message “hit” response that says “this number does not belong to Pablo Juan Montoya Escobar. No more than than the same would apply to Obama. Does that mean it is valid since it did not directly say that, as in your simpleton inexperienced analogy? Of course not, it doesn’t. It simply “flags” the SS number the person (Employer) inputs into the electronic systems as a mismatch with several reasons.
Whenever any flag receives a hit, employment is denied with explanation to the potential employee. That is their right to know and problem to resolve, not the employers. You can question all you like about which box should have been checked or not, that does not change the known facts.
September 18th, 2011 @ 12:49 pm
@ William @ 6:50 AM
William, you need to get a new accountant. She could tell by looking at the first page that NO GIFTS were made in 2009? Because gifts are reported on the Schedule A Part 1 (page 2) of Form 709. So much for her expertise, huh?
In 2009 the Obamas each made a $12,000 gift to each of their daughters.
September 18th, 2011 @ 2:45 pm
William, thank you for such a reasoned answer.
I understand more now.
September 20th, 2011 @ 6:21 am
Orly, In response to my E-Verify Affidavit about Barack Obama’s social security number, several readers have raised a few points repeatedly and I think I can provide some clarification for them.
1. I was able to do a search through E-Verify on Mr. Obama because Washington D.C. participates in the Self Check E-Verify program and I provided the correct information or otherwise I would not have been able to run the E-Verify check.
2. The SSN I used is on Mr. Obama’s 2010 Tax Return, it is the number he has used since around 1980. The birthdate I used is the one that he claims.
3. I did successfully enroll with E-Verify. I figured I would be challenged on my justification for doing so, that I considered myself to be one of the employers of the President of the United States, but I determined that was a gray area and I was willing to argue my standing.
4. When running Mr. Obama’s social security number I thought I was using the self-service section of their system, not a “self-check” section. Like a lot of people on the internet I did not read the fine print but it never entered my mind that anybody but an employer would have to independently verify the eligibility of an employee or potential employee. The employee or potential employee knows if they are a citizen of the United States or if they are using their real SSN or if they have a work Visa. Why would they have to ask the government to confirm that about them? That would be like the government setting up a website so people could ask them “Do I have brown hair?”. The letter I printed out that says, “take this to the SSO with you” is one I figured an employer would give to the potential employee or actual employee when telling them there was a problem with their SSN.
5. The “Notice of Mismatch” I received after entering in Mr. Obama’s information was not due to entering in the data incorrectly, or a mismatch between his name and birthdate. If that were true I would have got back, “SSN does not match”. I could have got back “SSA unable to confirm U.S. Citizenship” or “SSA unable to process data” or “SSN is invalid”. But I did not. I got back “SSA does not verify, other reason” which, according to the Social Security Administration manual, (POMS) specifically means “Special indicator present”. Eight out of nine special indicators concern fraud. One is reserved for people who are being stalked so they can go in to hiding and not be pursued by their stalker. Kind of hard for a POTUS to go in to hiding and I highly doubt that Mr. Obama got a new SSN between 2010 (we know it was on his tax return) and now under special indicator # 6. But hey, let’s have a through, independent investigation and prove me wrong.
6. My final point. As of November 2008 about 46,000 of the 453 million SSN’s on the SSA Numident had Special Indicator codes. (Office of the Inspector General analysis of the Numident data, A-08-09-19099) Only 46,000 out of 453 million were flagged with a special indicator code! It looks to me like it takes a whole lot of suspected fraud to earn one of those flags. And it’s looking very much like the SSN that Barack Obama is using was one of them.
Linda Jordan
September 20th, 2011 @ 6:42 am
Patty,
Maybe it would be best if you simply went to the IRS website as I did and review what she said.
“which must be used to report annual gifts in “excess of the amount allowed;”
As you pointed out Patty, “In 2009 the Obamas each made a $12,000 gift to each of their daughters.”
I will not answer your question for you. If you believe that 12,000 is far past the amount allowable, then be my guest. Or, maybe you should be a CPA with 50 years experience still in business.
September 20th, 2011 @ 9:21 am
Just for clarification,
Although in my response to Samuel Ford I used the word “issued” in reference to my statement and example, and in no way or any shape of form, do I intend such to mean or to be interpreted as such as a legally issued SS number.
September 20th, 2011 @ 10:18 am
Just food for thought,
As in the past on many occasions, the socialists/communists and their devoted followers have consistently and with devious intent, created, re-created, induced false documents for the purpose of deviating away from, and by means therefore, anything to create an argument to direct attention away from Obama himself.
Is this tax document, (which is really worthless and holds no meaning) another one of them? Why the argument of such that did not require the Obama’s to file it in the first place? Are the Obots, like Fogbow, hoping that Orly or others file it in a federal court for null devious reasons? I find it highly suspicious and really not worth the time given the federal tax rules that it need not be filed in the first place.
Fogbow being Fogbow and Socialists being just that, misinformation supporters.
Again,
September 20th, 2011 @ 1:13 pm
they simply forgot to flatten the files on WhiteHouse.com
criminals make mistakes and this is one of them
September 20th, 2011 @ 3:51 pm
@ William… Great post. You are a genius.
September 21st, 2011 @ 6:36 am
By the way,
All throughout my adult life, I gave my children “Allowances” for various different reasons as probably most all in this thread have done as well.
When I gave $20 per month to perform a variety of chores, mowing the grass, helping their mother, ect.. which totaled $240 annually, do you think I filed a tax form claiming that child allowance? Did any of you?
Of course not. First, the less the federal government knows of your financial status, the better off the person. Secondly, my annual child allowance of $240 does not require me to file a tax form claiming such. Therefore, why do it?
Now if I “exceeded” the amount allowable and it financially benefits me as well as would be required, then yes, I would have no choice but to claim it against my annual credits allowed.
On the flip side, there is no law that says I cannot file my $240 annual child allowance. It simply is worthless and benefits neither myself nor the IRS. In fact, I doubt they even send me a Christmas card thanking me for filing extra meaningless paperwork.
September 21st, 2011 @ 7:19 am
Paul,
My apologies upfront. I do not post often nor frequent at Dr. Orly’s site, hence there are many posters I am not familiar with. Are you Pro-verification exposing Obama, or against verification of exposing Obama?
Again, my apologies upfront for having to ask that question to you. My time is limited and does not allow me the diligence to go back through countless threads for review of your position(s).
Thanks,
September 21st, 2011 @ 2:03 pm
@ William
You are so funny, pretending that you understand tax law and accounting. LOL.
I am a C.P.A. and have been since 1979, so I know a bit about this subject. And it is clear to anyone who practices accounting that you are making up crap.
The original question, by Don, was why does it appear that the Obamas gifted money back and forth, because he did not understand what he was seeing on the Form 709. It was explained to him, by several commenters, that the reason for filing the 709 was to report gift splitting so that the donors (the Obamas) could take advantage of the annual gift tax exclusion amount.
You volunteered — incorrectly — that the 709 did not show any gifts were made. That was erroneous, and you got called out for it. A minimal amount of research would have led you to the complete copies of these returns, not just the first page. The gifts are reported on the second page. Plain as daylight, there were $12,000 gifts to each daughter.
Next you come back with crapola that there was no purpose in filing these 709s. BS again. If you had bothered to do de minimis research you would have learned the reason that these 709s were required, by law, to be filed. The Obamas
made a lump sum $120,000 contribution to each daughter’s tax-deferred 529 college savings plan, but they owe no gift tax on those sums since they are elected to use a 5-year reporting schedule that allows them to report the gifts as annual $12,000 per-parent gifts to each child. When they elected to use the 5-year reporting, they became obligated to file a Form 709 each year.
So cut the BS, William. You do not know enough about estate planning and gift tax to be lecturing others about the subject.
September 21st, 2011 @ 3:41 pm
Many posters here pretend to be lawyers, but I think William is the first to pretend to be an accountant.
September 21st, 2011 @ 6:14 pm
William also doesn’t realize how rich people shelter the money they give their children.
September 23rd, 2011 @ 6:43 am
Patty,
First, Don’s original question was “NOT” as you said “was why does it appear that the Obamas gifted money back and forth”.
Don’s original question as he did not understand (located in the beginning of the post), “What is a Item 7: “maximum unified credit” (Non-resident aliens)??? Is this saying that he is a non-resident alien?”
The 709 form listed on Orly’s site, is exactly what I referenced in a direct link to a personal friend who in fact is a CPA with 50 years of experience. She did in fact review my direct link to Dr. Orly’s site and emailed me a response to explain reasons a 709 is used, in which I posted in response to Don. There is no 2nd page, 3nd page or anything else listed on this site.
Neither I nor she, “Researched” further on additional websites to “find out” whether or not there are additional pages. There simply was no need in that to answer the basic question Don posted. Apparently, this is critical information for you and utilized in nefarious means.
Having never seen additional tax record pages in “researching” (as if that is the point), I took your word for it that the Obama’s gave $12,000, as you said and I quoted, which still does not exceed the allowable amount. However, you now post that the amount given was $120,000 each? Which is it? Are you lying or a typo?
The answer to Don was efficient, as she answered: “As far as the reference to “nonresident alien”, that is only to indicate that there are other instructions re. the unified credit for one of those.”
In other words, that doesn’t mean Obama is an illegal alien or non-U.S. Resident Alien, to properly address Don’s question.
Lastly, aside from the entire value of the esteemed point at hand – and a directional avoidance on your part, is the Social Security number used on this return valid, known to be issued “After” Obama was already known to be employed.
Now that part, is funny.
September 23rd, 2011 @ 7:12 am
Patty,
On a last thought. Assuming you were not an Obama “Researcher”, especially to his tax returns; I send you a link to Dr. Orly’s site and simply ask you to explain what is posted (shown), what would be your explanation? I would say it would be the same as hers.
She really doesn’t care about Obama’s tax forms, better things to do. But she did review and question why file if that’s it. As she also commented it would be nice if there were more from the past, to better analysis and understand.
As in my example, you being a CPA (I’ll take your word for it), if I filed a 709, and it showed I gifted $240 dollars, or even zero, and you reviewed the only page showing that, your first question would be, “Why did he file that”, its not required. In addition, you answer the basic question, “what does non-resident alien” mean? Does that mean William is a non-U.S.resident?
I would most likely agree, that your answer to such limited information, be similar. Assuming you were a non-bias party and not involved in researching “Obama” as a daily goal.
September 23rd, 2011 @ 8:05 am
@William,
But for the seriousness of SSA fraud, especially/specifically by a POTUS, that Patty all too conspicuously avoided the fact that the CT SSN on Obama’s tax return (and Selective Service Registration) was issued 4-5 years AFTER he himself has said he obtained his first job (in HI not CT) would indeed be funny.
September 23rd, 2011 @ 10:15 am
By the way Patty,
Since you have declared yourself as a CPA, maybe you can explain in full analysis of Tax Fraud accusations with Obama’s estate in Illinois, and how it’s simply not “true” and no wrong doings.
As you are a prolific “researcher” on Obama’s tax records, explain it’s legality and current discovery of questioning. Of course, while supporting him. I will not post the research findings of such, nor questionings from the State. I’ll let you the good CPA derive at those final conclusions.
If you’re up to the challenge of explanation as a CPA that is.
September 23rd, 2011 @ 10:19 am
Back to the original question, reasoning, and certainly a thorn in the heart of the matter.
No expert can verify an internet document as legitimate, but you can declare it a fraud. Hawaiian law states that public display of private records removes the Hawaiian obligation to protect them. Simply put, if Obama displays his Birth Certificate copy on the internet or on a Federal Government website, he has no right to privacy.
Here are undisputed facts:
1. The Federal Government, via the Executive Branch, has published a Document they claim is Obama’s Hawaiian BC. Not disputed.
2. There is no legal chain of Custody for the document published by the White House.
3. The DoH (Department of Health) in Hawaii REFUSED a legal subpeona to review the Document by experts in person after pre-arrangements had been made.
Obviously the Hawaian DoH has acted appropriately in this case because the information on the White House site does not match DoH records. Specifically, they are obligated to continue to protect the privacy of Obama since his actual records have not been released and seen by the public, or contain information confirming late birth registration.
Further, Judge Lambert’s recent ruling, in contrary to other national judges and Obama senate campaign (the Ryan Divorce documents) has declared that a politician has the right to privacy. That privacy must be given for certain vital records per national law, but that privacy is null and void if the individual make them public (puts on internet).
I don’t think it could be more clear that Obama has privacy laws protecting him as he has NOT released a legitimate copy of his COLB or long form Birth Certificate. What the public has seen is not what is in the record, or he wouldn’t be protected.
As Sherlock Holmes once said “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”
September 24th, 2011 @ 12:33 am
Yawn.
Thanks for making all of us five years older with the boring tax lessons.
Now let’s get back to the matter at hand, and bother the heck out of all elected officials until something is done about Obama’s fraud.
September 24th, 2011 @ 4:56 am
@ William
In answer to your question, I am for the Constitution and the rule of law to be followed in all situations. I’m also for people not being misled as to what that actually is.
Hope that helps.
September 24th, 2011 @ 7:49 am
William,
I do not provide free tax advice over the internet.
Make an appointment with the genius C.P.A. who did such a thorough job analyzing that fraction of a return on the internet. She sounds like the perfect advisor for you.
Patty
September 24th, 2011 @ 10:58 am
Patty,
LOL….
Thought so…
September 24th, 2011 @ 9:39 pm
Patty’s explanations were cogent and factual; Williams were hackneyed and false. We’re not laughing with you, William – we’re laughing at you.
September 25th, 2011 @ 6:24 am
@ The Truth
What do you mean, “boring”? Accounting is fun and exciting!
September 25th, 2011 @ 9:19 am
RacerJim:
“But for the seriousness of SSA fraud, especially/specifically by a POTUS, that Patty all too conspicuously avoided the fact that the CT SSN on Obama’s tax return (and Selective Service Registration) was issued 4-5 years AFTER he himself has said he obtained his first job (in HI not CT) would indeed be funny.”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes Jim, you are correct.
What we are laughing about is not only about the trolling obots John and Patty, but rather when great emphasis on something meaningless as the 709 form, Patty puts great effort of self time to evaluate, conduct additional research outside the scope of basics, devolving personal time as well as blogging about it, then denies all else for obama tax evaluation.
As I asked Patty to examine (since she apparently has the time to evaluate Obama’s taxes and blog about them, then evaluate the alleged Chicago property tax fruad case ongoing, with filings, court records already posted, just requires Patty to “Go to another website” to garnish the information for an analisis. Same as she did here.
Of course, Patty refused, with the comment: “I do not provide free tax advice over the internet.”
Now that, is funny….
September 26th, 2011 @ 2:02 am
There is no “Chicago property tax fruad (sic)case ongoing”, William. You just like to make things up to make you feel important.
In the real world, real accountants and attorneys are dealing with real problems. I know that the fanciful antics of self-aggrandized buffoons such as you and RJ provide light-hearted entertainment that helps us maintain our perspective. So thanks for that.
September 26th, 2011 @ 2:56 am
> Hawaiian law states that public display of private records removes the Hawaiian obligation to protect them.
Quote us which Hawaiian law allegedly states that.
September 26th, 2011 @ 7:23 am
Yes William, you are correct.
Since trolling Obots like Patty & john cannot refute basic facts/truths they resort to long-winded off-course obfuscations.
Now that, is funny indeed!
September 26th, 2011 @ 11:30 am
I sure am laughing at you William!!
September 26th, 2011 @ 6:34 pm
William and Racer,
If you could get these morons like Patty, John, and Laura to a debate table, then you could easily destroy they’re weak arguments. But unfortunately,they throw something out there, then hide on the internet with their “nah nah , nah nah nah” mentality. When they can’t answer a simple question, or have to mislead about well known facts, they lose by default.
I take comfort that our side grows stronger everyday. And I’m confident that the boom is about to be lowered on Obama.
Just keep on beating them up with facts. That’s how you defeat thugs, bullies, and idiots. Hit them over the head with the truth, and embarrass them. Soon they’ll slink back to the cesspool they came from.
September 26th, 2011 @ 7:04 pm
Why don’t you diehard liberals get a clue, and stop fighting the birthers and Orly? Wouldn’t it make sense to the more intelligent of your bunch, to jump on board, get the inevitable over with, and move on to a more viable candidate like Hillary?
Obama is dead in the water. He has no chance. You know it. I know it . We all know it.
Since some of you rats are looking to jump ship, why not launch the S.S. Clinton right now by helping to put this matter of Obama’s fraud to rest, once and for all. This is your only hope.
On the other hand, there’s always going to be some that hang on till the bitter end. They’re the ones who pretend to see nothing out of the ordinary with the long list of anomalies in Obama’s records.
Pretend all you want, its not going to matter one bit in the end. Obama is toast any way you look at it.
September 27th, 2011 @ 6:39 am
^5 The Truth
September 27th, 2011 @ 6:51 am
@Nick Statler
I don’t know if there is or isn’t a Hawaiian law which states that public display of private records removes the Hawaiian obligation to protect them but I do know there is a Hawaiian law which mandates disclosure of private records to “A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;” — Hawaii Revised Statute 338-18 (b)(9)
September 27th, 2011 @ 8:08 am
John,
Just keep telling yourself that. Repeat it over and over to further convince yourself as necessary.
September 27th, 2011 @ 8:51 am
Nick,
(sigh)…this really gets old having to bring you Obots up to date and informed.
Lets bring this down to simple terms for your benefit pertaining to “privacy rights”.
Now certainly Nick, you would agree, as I do, that most all people are entitled to Privacy Rights, correct? Are we on the same page thus far? All courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court also agree with that, to certain extents and limitations. Are we still on the same page Nick? So far?
Having said that Nick, I’ll make a couple of examples for your benefit, including where you lose such rights. No, I am not doing your homework for you. By the way, this is old legal news.
Nick, posts on Facebook a copy of his divorce records. Nicks divorce records are copied, downloaded, re-posted on other sites. Nick gets upset and claims his personal privacy rights have been violated and attempts to take all those that downloaded, copied and reprinted his divorce records, to court, claiming they violated his personal “rights to Privacy”…
Under such circumstance – which has been held in all courts – is that you Nick “forfeited” your personal “right to privacy” once you Nick, placed your private information for public view, e.g. it’s no longer private by your own hands and actions. Therefore, you cannot claim it private any longer.
Obama used the same identical court situation in his case to run against his Senate Opponent in Illinois, and correctly attained in judicial decision in Obama’s favor.
You are welcome to review any past Hawaiian Supreme Court cases, Federal Court cases, and U.S. Supreme Court cases, whereby “Privacy Rights” are forfeited, once the individual “Volunteers” public information on themselves. If you do not know how to conduct case look-up laws and completely unaware of such cases, then why are you “disputing” such?
September 27th, 2011 @ 9:42 am
John,
By the way, I hate to be the bearer of bad news to your Obama alleged Chicago tax fraud, mostly exposed from the Blagojevich trial and Tony Rezko testimony (and of course many others now known)but this is just the beginning.
You may certainly deny such investigations and recent findings of tax fraud, but you cannot claim “it don’t exist” William. No such thing, no legal authorities are looking into the matter! Really John….? And you know this how?
You haven’t been reading the Chicago times lately have you…
September 27th, 2011 @ 10:11 am
Next discussion,
John and Patty will attempt to convince me that Obama is a converted Muslim and now a Christian. Declaring that Obama is a respectful person of “All” religions.
Yeah, and that is why we have many photo opts of Obama kicking off his shoes, on his knees, in Muslim Mosques, praying to Allah, pointed in the direction of Mecca, all out of respect to Muslims. Bowing to the King,..opps, I meant to say he dropped a penny and was picking it up, not bowing.
However, as the “Respecter” of “All” religions, did Obama drop to his knees and take communion from the Pope, to “Respect” the Catholics? Or did he send Biden? Why didn’t he send Biden to the Middle East on each occasion and have Biden kick off his shoes in the Muslim Mosques and pray to Allah, in respect instead of himself?
That really would have been a true show, Biden in a Middle East Muslim Mosque, bowing to Allah. Out of respect of course.
Same as when the Middle East officials Visit the United States; they show “Respect” by visiting Christian churches and praying to Jesus, out of respect for America. Right?
September 27th, 2011 @ 10:42 am
@RacerJim…
You are correct, there is such a law. There are also laws the courts will follow in ordering (or not) inspection).
If or when that court of competent jurisdiction orders such, (and after any appeals which may be taken and the Court agrees with the lower court which ordered such) then the HI DOH will be compelled by law to do so.
To date, that’s not happened. That is what the cases in HI are attempting to accomplish.
September 27th, 2011 @ 4:22 pm
@ William…
You stated to nick… “Under such circumstance – which has been held in all courts – is that you Nick “forfeited” your personal “right to privacy” once you Nick, placed your private information for public view, e.g. it’s no longer private by your own hands and actions. Therefore, you cannot claim it private any longer.
Obama used the same identical court situation in his case to run against his Senate Opponent in Illinois, and correctly attained in judicial decision in Obama’s favor. ”
Your legal reasoning is flawed. You are talking apples and oranges as an analogy to the Obama/HI DOH. Your analogy is not, as we say, on point.
Obama indeed produced his short and long-form BC on the internet for anyone with access to see/read. That was indeed his choice.
It is not his privacy rights, however, that are at issue with the legal argument of the HI DOH, it is the law which, even though Obama released his records publicly, of his own volition, that does not relieve them (DOH) of their legal responsibility to not release someone’s vital records to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. That is the difference.
No one can waive that legal responsibility for the HI DOH. It will take a court order to do so. That would be true whether is was you, me, or anyone else.
That’s the distinction between your analogy to nick and the cases in HI.
September 27th, 2011 @ 6:51 pm
@The Truth
Please, PLEASE provide me with an email, phone number, SOMEthing, so I can laugh in your idiot face when Obama is reelected in 2012. Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase!@!@@#
September 27th, 2011 @ 7:14 pm
Great comments William!
You nailed the Muslim issue right on the head!
But I have to admit, I burst out laughing when I thought of Obama sending Biden to the middle east. I pictured him pulling a “Leslie Neilson” fumbling, bumbling, disaster of a visit from poor, brain-damaged Joe.
The funny thing is, Biden would still be a better President than Dear Leader. How could anyone do worse?
September 27th, 2011 @ 7:15 pm
I am STILL trying to figure outy HOW to download these items to send? Any help?
September 28th, 2011 @ 5:46 am
Pig314,
Why would I want to do something like that? So I could have you and your Obot friends all on my front lawn harassing my family and crapping on my grass? No thank you.
That would clearly be idiotic. Since you seem to have a lock on idiocy, why don’t you post your information so we could all send you a clue?
Here’s one for free, Pig 314. Obama has ZERO chance of being re-elected. ALL support groups are running away from this communist at light speed. Read the polls! It’s all there in black and white.
And speaking of black and white, when Herman Cain shows the world what a real educated man with common sense ideas, drive, and experience can do, we’ll see how your side’s racism accusations pan out. I’m sure “Uncle Tom” and “Oreo” will never be uttered out loud, right?
So much for your racism accusations. We’ll all be laughing at you on our way to the inauguration.Herman Cain 2012!
P.S. Why do you think Obama and Bill Clinton were golfing the other day? Exit strategy for Obama with Hillary coming to the rescue? You don’t think the Clintons know about the birth certificate and social security problem? You don’t think they have any power behind the scenes with the judges? Come on.
September 28th, 2011 @ 6:02 am
Ron (Dallas),
Try clicking or double clicking your cursor on an individual document. When it comes up separately, use your menu bar to save, download, etc. You can copy and paste also. I suggest going to a local library and ask a worker there if you have trouble. They are usually adept in basic computer skills.
I hope this helps!
September 28th, 2011 @ 6:14 am
One more thing pig314,
You can rip the pages of your Saul Alinsky book out to wipe your backside with and blow your snotty little nose on, because that nonsense doesn’t work with me. I will destroy you with the truth every time.
You can’t spell liberalism without L-I-E-S!
September 28th, 2011 @ 8:38 am
@Paul Jackson,
You are also correct, there are indeed laws that courts will follow in ordering (or not) inspection.
On July 5, 2011 a court of competent jurisdiction (The United States District Court for the District of Hawaii) did in fact order such via the subpoena it issued to Dr. Orly Taitz commanding (ordering) HDOH Director Loretta Fuddy to produce for inspection, copying and/or testing on August 8, 2011, at 10AM, at Hawaii Department of Health, 1250 Punchbowl Street, Room 325, Honolulu, HI 96813, Barack H. Obama’s original 1961 typewritten birth certificate #10641, issued on 08/08/1961, signed by Dr. David Sinclair, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and registrar UKLLee, and stored by the Hawaii Department of Health since 08/08/1961.
Suffice it to say that when HDOH Loretta Fuddy did not obey the court’s order Dr. Orly Taitz filed a motion for a “Hearing to Compel”. That hearing was originally scheduled for September but was rescheduled for November. That is where the case now stands.
September 28th, 2011 @ 8:44 am
Paul Jackson,
As you commented to me, in part:
..”It is not his privacy rights, however, that are at issue with the legal argument of the HI DOH, it is the law which, even though Obama released his records publicly, of his own volition, that does not relieve them (DOH) of their legal responsibility to not release someone’s vital records to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. That is the difference.
No one can waive that legal responsibility for the HI DOH. It will take a court order to do so. That would be true whether is was you, me, or anyone else.”
I certainly do not disagree with your response that it will take a court order to force a release. In fact, it is required. The issue pertains to the rights of privacy and when such no longer become viable in public interests and right to know. Arguably, public figures such as movie stars and politicians volunteer most of their private lives in the media via various means. Unfortunately, those that conduct such behavior are often times challenged for verification of their public claims.
The “Sword and Shield” laws in such cases of privacy vs public declarations, often conflict. In other words, it becomes difficult for a court of any jurisdiction to apply privacy rights to an individual, when that individual volunteers public personal information. These are not apples and oranges.
September 28th, 2011 @ 12:39 pm
@ RacerJim…
“On July 5, 2011 a court of competent jurisdiction (The United States District Court for the District of Hawaii) did in fact order such via the subpoena…”
I don’t know how to explain it any more simply. The subpoena is not a “court order” from any court. The Court did not order anyone to be anywhere and produce anything. The document is a subpoena, signed by the Clerk of the Court, and everyday ministerial duty and occurrence. If Orly had been admitted to practice in HI, she could and would have been able to issue the subpoena herself, but not admitted and as a pro se party, she could not. Therefore, she (properly) obtained a signed subpoena by the clerk and issued it.
It in no way is a court order. I fail to understand why you can not (or perhaps will not) accept that distinction, as it is a correct one.
IF the Court rules in Orly’s favor on the Motion to Compel, they will THEN enter a court order.
That is the fact of the matter. There’s obviously no reason to continue to go ’round and ’round. If you wish to continue to believe, falsely, the subpoena is an Order issued by the court, so be it.
September 28th, 2011 @ 1:41 pm
@ William…
I appreciate your argument but it is not germaine in this instance.
The issue has nothing to do with anyone’s privacy and whether they’ve waived it. No one can waive the responsibility, imposed by law, that the HI DOH must adhere to, without court order, which is they can not release vital records to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
In other words, it does not matter what one does with a record they themselves have obtained from the DOH, it does not mean the DOH then has carte blanch to release its records to anyone else.
It’s really that simple, and privacy of that individual, due to the fact they have displayed it wherever, does not enter the equation.
The hearing in Taitz v Fuddy (if it takes place and the motion to dismiss is not decided on the papers) is Oct. 12. Perhaps we can have a discussion following the ruling in that case.
By the way, this response is shorter than my others as I’ve tried to post one 3 times now and they just disappear into cyberspace. 🙂
September 28th, 2011 @ 7:13 pm
Paul, don’t you love that when you write out a long reply and it disappears? Happens to me regularly, and from reading the comments , seems to happen to others.
Glitch in the system?
Oh well, keep on fighting Orly!
September 28th, 2011 @ 7:35 pm
Paul Jackson
You’re fighting a losing battle. These people see reality filtered through the goggles of ODS — Obama Derangement Syndrome — and you will NEVER convince them that what they believe is, simply, fantasy.
They’ll find out, eventually, when Obama is re-elected, and the world does not end, and Christ does not come back on a flying horse, the seas do not run red with blood, and in fact everything continues pretty much as it has these last 200 or so years.
(Except, of course, that the US is thereafter ruled by we commie pinko socialist faggots! HA! HAhahahAHHhHAHhahhAHA!@@##!)
September 28th, 2011 @ 9:43 pm
Jim:
“On July 5, 2011 a court of competent jurisdiction (The United States District Court for the District of Hawaii) did in fact order such”
Who was the JUDGE that signed such an order?
September 29th, 2011 @ 8:49 am
Paul,
I understand your argument, albeit I disagree with the parameters you set forth.
We can all certainly agree -with high probability – of the near future HI court decision in this case. Protection of Obama from releasing “Any” record, is not in the interest of the courts. It would be a complete utter failure and admittance on the part of our Judicial and Legislative branches, broken and notwithstanding embarrassment.
There are many unanswered questions that simply require addressing. The media has failed its part as well.
September 29th, 2011 @ 9:19 am
Paul,
My apologies for any lengthy answer you have proposed – yet failed to appear. I am always open to such writings for review. As a suggestion, would it be best if you broke it up into part-1, part-2 and part-3? In this manner, it does not exceed the limits of singular posting.
September 30th, 2011 @ 6:35 am
I’d like to see the tax returns of George W. Bush, the gifted monetary tax returns of George H. W. Bush to the Dubya campaign as well as the Everify report of McCain.
Please post and then maybe, just MAYBE, I’ll take you seriously. Until then, you’re just a birther living in the past of an election that HAPPENED. He’s President. Get it over it.
We survived Bush – You will survive Obama.
October 1st, 2011 @ 8:08 pm
By calling yourself “The Truth”, you insult every true thing under Heaven. Your own profane lies will be your undoing.
October 1st, 2011 @ 9:33 pm
S.O.B.,
I agree with your suggestion of reviewing tax returns for Bush in public eyes. In fact, I agree with the public’s ability to review all tax returns for any elected official; e.g. City, County, State or Federal, regardless of party affiliation.
However, other than Obama, he is the only currently known person that has used Multiple Social Security Numbers and that is the point. Not “how” much he made, or “how” much he donated, but the Multiple use of Non-issued SS numbers, which is a felony. We know its a felony by not being assigned to him, based on his tax filings and date of number issued.
That is the point.
October 2nd, 2011 @ 8:57 am
@jcm52
>Jim:
“On July 5, 2011 a court of competent jurisdiction (The United States District Court for the District of Hawaii) did in fact order such”
Who was the JUDGE that signed such an order?<
Nice try but no cigar. You know as well as I do that I didn't say a Judge signed such an order but, rather, that a "court of competent jurisdication" issued such an order.
You et al are welcome to play the subpoena v order semantics game if you want but the fact remains that the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii issued a subpoena to Dr. Orly Taitz which commanded (ordered) HDOH Director Loretta Fuddy to make specific documents available to Dr. Taitz on a specific date, at a specific time and at a specific place else be subject to punishment by said Court under rules attached to said subpoena.
October 2nd, 2011 @ 9:22 am
@SickofBirthers
We “birthers” and, moreover, an ever increasing majority of “We the people” are SickofObama.
Election fraud
Social Security fraud
Selective Service fruad
Internal Revenue Service fraud
Presidential Authority fraud
Commander In Chief fraud
October 4th, 2011 @ 4:53 pm
RacistJim, we’re all sick of you pretending to understand the law.
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Orly Taitz is a true patriot and one of the few people that has the back bone to stand up and say obama is a fraud and go after him in court . Orly stand your ground this fraud is going and the US Congress and the US Supreme Court are using race as a reason for not enforcing US Constitutional Law .
November 9th, 2011 @ 4:49 am
Orly Taitz is a true patriot and one of the few people that has the back bone to stand up and say obama is a fraud and go after him in court . Orly stand your ground this fraud is going down and the US Congress and the US Supreme Court are using race as a reason for not enforcing US Constitutional Law .
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