16 Responses to “A letter from a patriot Patricia Levy to director of the public affairs for the U.S. Army Washington DC area Col Manning”

1. Veritas
   December 21st, 2010 @ 7:24 pm

   Army asks for mercy from clemency callers

   Breaking News

   Lakin supporters flood phone lines; need to redirect messages
   –WND

2. Chum Lee
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 6:47 am

   IT IS OVER!!! Lakin is on record admitting that is orders were 100% legal.

3. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 8:09 am

   this was an admission under duress, as he was denied any reasonable means of defense. this admiossion is not worth the paper it was written on

4. Neil N. Bob
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

   @PorkFat

   What I suggest is you do what Chum Lee has suggested. Go out and get yourself arrested so that you have ‘standing’. Surely, you believe that Obama is illegitimate and that you will come out smelling like a rose, don’t you?

   If not, then you lack the courage to actually stand up and do something about this supposed ‘atrocity’ that you bloviate about every time you post here.

   That is the ultimatum. Do you have the cajones to follow through or are you just some big talking, stupid red neck?

   Neil N. Bob (or is that just what you do?)

5. Chum Lee
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 2:02 pm

   PorkRoll,

   You stated: “I’ve done it myself in traffic court where I was in the right, but fighting the charge was an uphill (probably losing) battle and I accepted a plea bargain to get it over with.”

   In other words you made a choice, and are stuck with that choice. Lakin did the same thing, and made a choice. He should get spoecial treatment? Perhaps you can explain why he got new counsel, or why he abandoned the birther argument? You and I can only guess.

   When has Lakin ever stated that he was facing the same harsh treatment that our POWs faced in Vietnam? Never!

   I will post one challenge that no one wants to take me up on. Until then I will continue to side with 535 members of Congress and the members of the Electoral College.

   I will support the birthers when anyone can show me any of the following:

   1) Any authenticated (I am using the term “authenticated” as it is used in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure) documents demonstrating that Obama has used more than one SSN.

   By authenticated, you would need to account for the chain of custody, and prove Obama signed it or otherwise ratified said document. By authenticated, you would need to account for each person whose hands it passed through after proving that the document is actually what you claim it to be. Databases on the internet are not authenticated.

   2) Any authenticated birth certificate, hospital records, or other official document showing that Obama was born outside of the United States. By authenticated, you would need to account for each person whose hands it passed through after proving that the document is actually what you claim it to be.

6. PorkRoll
   December 22nd, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

   Chum Lee,

   You claimed: “In other words you made a choice, and are stuck with that choice. Lakin did the same thing, and made a choice.” — No, I made my choice but Lakin’s choice was made for him by Lind, the Army and God only knows what he was told or how he was threatened behind closed doors. My loss was self-chosen to avoid wasting my time, Lakin’s was out of despair since they left him with no choice. They took away his defense and left him with nothing.

   You said: “He should get special treatment?” — The whole problem is that Lakin WAS given special treatment. He wasn’t allowed to defend himself; Lind denied him discovery, witnesses and any other evidence he needed to prove his innocence. Lind didn’t allow it. There’s your special treatment, Soviet style.

   You said: “Perhaps you can explain why he got new counsel, or why he abandoned the birther argument? You and I can only guess.” — Oh, I don’t know, maybe because the judge refused to give credence to the main claim he was making and told him so, refusing him discovery, witnesses and any other evidence to back up his claim.

   You said: “When has Lakin ever stated that he was facing the same harsh treatment that our POWs faced in Vietnam? Never!” — Did the Vietnam POWs come out and say, “Hey I’m being threatened and terrorized by my persecutors?” No, I didn’t think so. Instead of beating Lakin, they threatened him with a tasering, belittled him, denigrated his character and mentally tortured him. It was a real fine show of civility on the Army’s part, I tell ya’. Too bad he didn’t blink ‘torture’ into the camera like Jeremiah Denton.

   As far as your challenges, Orly is currently trying to ascertain Obama’s SS application and is getting stonewalled. Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and try to help her out?

   Second, the onus isn’t on us to disprove Obama’s Natural Born Citizen claim; the onus is on Obama to prove that he is a NBC like he claims. We need to see his long form birth certificate which Hawaii has on file and Obama already admitted he possesses in his autobiography Dreams from my Father. There is no reason he can’t produce it just like John McCain did when Obama and the mainstream media went ‘all-birther’ on him. The long form will tell us where he was born (jus soli) and who his biological parents were (jus sanguinis). If his father is the alien he claimed, he’s NOT Constitutionally eligible.

7. Yephora
   December 23rd, 2010 @ 12:40 am

   Well done, PorkRoll. I’m glad you take the time to post here.

8. Chum Lee
   December 23rd, 2010 @ 4:46 am

   Porkroll,

   I’ll be quick.

   1. You agree with me that Lakin made a choice, and all you have is conjecture. He chose not to push forward and then appeal. He chose new counsel. You never spoke to Lakin so you do not know the reasons for his choice. He said the judge was correct, and plead guilty. There was no plea bargain, instead he pled guilty – why? Neither of us know.

   2. Lakin never stated he was tortured, never. That was never an issue – you can talk about the Viet Cong all you want, but cannot demonstrate that he was tortured. I would appreciate a link to the “threats about tasers.” I am not doubting you, but that is a new one to me.

   3. Why would I help Orly with the SSN business? She made the claims about him misusing SSNs, so she needs to back it up with authenticated evidence – not a bunch of reports from online databases.

   4. I believe that Obama is the legitimate President and constitutionally eligible and Congress, the Electoral College, and the Courts suggest it. I don’t need to prove what I believe. I gave a way for you to help out- violate a federal law and claim standing and challenge Obama’s legitimacy. Are you a paper tiger and expect folks like Lakin to do the heavy lifting?

   4. The onus is on the birthers. If it is not, can you show me where it says otherwise?

   5. I believe jus soli is enough, and you should know that the thing on the internet is not McCain’s birth certificate. He never released it. It is a forgery that was floating around since the Hollander litigation.

9. Chum Lee
   December 24th, 2010 @ 4:33 am

   Pork Roll:

   No dice. Step to my challenge or go and sacrifice for yourself – until then you are a paper tiger. Until any birther can actually proof – not conjecture, not hunches, but rock-solid authenticated proof – I will continue to believe Obama is legitimate President. I believe you are wrong on the law, and that is simple. You do a good job twisting the law.

   As for a “cheat sheet” – it was no secret, and Mario Putzo released nothing new.

   Linking to a biased news source tells me nothing.

   Oh, and have you noticed that Obama’s ratings have been going up?

   As far as the “who is the birther now” question – I do not get it. I never have doubted McCain’s eligibility for President.

10. Johnny Cochrane
    December 24th, 2010 @ 6:03 am

    > If you want proof, help her to ascertain the proof because SHE’S TRYING TO GET YOU THE PROOF but they’re keeping her from it.

    Stop trying to shift the burden of proof. Birthers have no proof, they have absence of proof and then tell the sane people “prove to us our belief is wrong”. It doesn’t work that way.

    > As an aside, Ronald Reagan had no problem producing a birth certificate.

    You’re readily omitting the fact that he didn’t produce his BC until *after* his presidency ended. Convenient, huh?

    > A digital image of a purported COLB is not legally submissible evidence.

    You do realize that the “digital image” was made of a real object which would be legally submissible evidence if required by a court?
    It does not exist in cyberspace only, just like a photo of your house shows a real object.

    > Multiple COLBs with gaping flaws like UNOFFICIAL SEALS is a crime.

    You mean, like the multiple different “Kenyan birth certificates” produced by birthers and used by Orly in court?

    > Notice how it proclaims both citizens, but calls the child of a citizen as “natural born”.

    But you also notice that it says “is as much a citizen as the natural born child…”? Do you understand the meaning of “is as much” or do we have to go back to elementary school?

    Funny how you can twist a sentence to mean the opposite of what it says plainly on its face.

    > Well, who’s the birther now?

    Funny how you evade the question why you were never so critical about former presidents’ and candidates’ eligibility – until suddenly we had a black president.

11. PorkRoll
    December 25th, 2010 @ 2:19 am

    Chum Lee,

    Why should I do anything to satisfy your definition of a forceful patriot? As free men, we act according to what WE deem necessary at the moment, not you. LTC Lakin decided to head down this path and I have supported his effort both financially and intellectually. I have also denounced his mistreatment at the hand of our government. Those are my choices and I will act according to my own predilections and to satisfy what I believe needs to be done at any given time. Calling people a paper tiger because they don’t barrel into where angels fear to tread is disingenuous to the nth degree. With rash and foolish decisions, we stumble and sacrifice at the times proscribed by our opponents (i.e. you and your ilk). That is a fool’s bargain; nothing like letting your enemy dictate the rules of the battlefield. Nice try, though.

    And again, you set up a straw man by having us try to disprove Obama is a natural born citizen when he has never proven he was an NBC to begin with. It should not be the people’s responsibility to prove or disprove that Obama is a natural born citizen; it is Obama’s DUTY because that is what the Constitution REQUIRES of him. Show me one legally admissible piece of evidence proving Obama is an NBC. I’ll wait… Are you really that gullible or are your eyes simply clouded by your political motives?

    “I believe you are wrong on the law, and that is simple. You do a good job twisting the law.” Of course you do because the law says that if Obama’s father is who he says he is, Obama is not a NBC and is a usurper. We only have numerous Supreme Court cases and Congressional testimony to back me up, but hey, we can just throw out what isn’t politically expedient, right?

    As far as the Congressional cheat sheet, you said ‘it wasn’t a secret.’ Oh, but it was. The fellow who leaked it out of Congress to Mario Apuzzo had to remain anonymous fearing repercussions. Nope, no secrecy there. And referring to Mario Apuzzo as Mario Putzo is as classy as me referring to you as Chump Lee. It only denigrates your argument.

    I see nothing biased about a news source telling the truth. If Lakin wasn’t threatened by the prosecutor, why was that prosecutor immediately dismissed from the case? And if a reporter obtains an official seal from Hawaii and it shows Obama’s purported COLB uses a forged seal, how is that biased? Oh, I get it. It’s biased because you disagree with it. As John Adams said, facts are stubborn things.

    Obama’s ratings going up? Who cares? Are you really that shallow? I don’t care if they carved his face into Mount Rushmore. He’s still illegitimate until he proves he’s Constitutionally eligible to hold the office.

    You never doubted McCain’s eligiblity to be President? Why not? Obama did. Obama was one of the signatories to the investigation of McCain’s NBC status. But I guess they and Obama are all a bunch of racists, right?

12. PorkRoll
    December 25th, 2010 @ 2:47 am

    Johnny Cochrane,

    “Stop trying to shift the burden of proof. Birthers have no proof, they have absence of proof and then tell the sane people ‘prove to us our belief is wrong’.” — Thank you for reiterating what we’ve said all along. We have no proof that Obama is who he says he is and is a natural born citizen, per the requirement of the United States Constitution. None.

    But as to Obama’s misappropriation of his current Social Security number, we do have proof of odd inconsistencies that warrant investigation. But you want proof to warrant an investigation to obtain such proof. Brilliant.

    OK, here’s my challenge again. If the digital image of a COLB is proof enough for you, take a digital image of yours, put it on a web page and bring your laptop down the DMV and try to get a driver’s license with it. We’ll see how much credence it carries then. In other words, the DMV’s not as gullible as you prove to be.

    “But you also notice that it says “is as much a citizen as the natural born child…”? Do you understand the meaning of “is as much” or do we have to go back to elementary school?” — Oh yes, the child of an alien is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, but it ain’t a natural born citizen. A Dodge is as much a car as a Ford, but a Dodge ain’t a Ford. Who needs to go back to elementary school? Who twists things to say things they don’t?

    “until suddenly we had a black president” — Wow, a charge of racism from a leftist…how original and unexpected. By that argument, Obama is the biggest racist of all since he was a sponsor of the Congressional investigation of McCain’s NBC status. Yeah, funny how we ‘were never so critical about former presidents’ and candidates’ eligibility’ until a black man ran against a white man. Tsk, tsk, Obama the closet racist.

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